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  • #46
    I had wondered if I was of American Indian or European descent. My dna test result came back as H. That means that my direct maternal line was European. I know the name of my great-great-great-great grandmother, Martha Golding. She lived in Halifax,Virginia, then moved to Rowan, North Carolina with her father. She married Uriah Parker and they had children in North Carolina. I knew nothing at all about her mother. I only knew her fathers name, which was William Golding. I did a search of the surname Golding, and it originated in Cornwall, England. I used to wonder if his wife was also from England (Europe) or Native American.
    Is H (Helena) common in Cornwall?
    I also have 16519C listed on the certificate. There was absolutely no information on the genographic site about 16519C. What does it mean?
    Last edited by rainbow; 28 June 2006, 06:39 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by rainbow
      I also have 16519C listed on the certificate. There was absolutely no information on the genographic site about 16519C. What does it mean?
      16519C is an HVR1 mutation--an extremely common one, as a matter of fact. On MitoSearch (a database of mtDNA results), there are dozens of people who exactly match you: haplogroup H and a lone HVR1 mutation at 16519C.

      Nevertheless, I still encourage you to create a personal FTDNA page. (On your Genographic page, there should be a hyperlink like 'See More', which should eventually lead to the transfer/copy of your DNA information to FTDNA.) Once you have an FTDNA page, you can order more tests if you wish, or in any case upload your DNA information to the MitoSearch database.

      But as I say, the bad news for you is that you have dozens of matches right now. I didn't check, but I suspect they may be from all over Western Europe. You could order more tests to winnow them down to a smaller number of more precise matches, if you wish.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by lgmayka
        16519C is an HVR1 mutation--an extremely common one, as a matter of fact. On MitoSearch (a database of mtDNA results), there are dozens of people who exactly match you: haplogroup H and a lone HVR1 mutation at 16519C.

        Nevertheless, I still encourage you to create a personal FTDNA page. (On your Genographic page, there should be a hyperlink like 'See More', which should eventually lead to the transfer/copy of your DNA information to FTDNA.) Once you have an FTDNA page, you can order more tests if you wish, or in any case upload your DNA information to the MitoSearch database.

        But as I say, the bad news for you is that you have dozens of matches right now. I didn't check, but I suspect they may be from all over Western Europe. You could order more tests to winnow them down to a smaller number of more precise matches, if you wish.


        I did transfer over to FTDNA from the Genographic Project. I was interested in having an 'autosomal' test done. Does ftdna have that? Can they use the dna they alreadt have from me to do that test? Can ftdna share my dna with another company that does the 'autosomal', or do I need to submit another swab? It seems that the ftdna tests being offered is the same as the one I already had done.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by rainbow
          I did transfer over to FTDNA from the Genographic Project. I was interested in having an 'autosomal' test done. Does ftdna have that? Can they use the dna they alreadt have from me to do that test? Can ftdna share my dna with another company that does the 'autosomal', or do I need to submit another swab? It seems that the ftdna tests being offered is the same as the one I already had done.
          I don't think FTDNA does autosomal tests, although companies like dnatribes.com do.

          FTDNA offers two more tests that apply to you: the HVR2 test (which might be called mtDNArefine or something like that), and the mt-H subclade test (which might be called mtDNA H refinement--note the H). The HVR2 test looks at another section of mitochondrial DNA to come up with a second list of mutations, which then winnow down your matches on the FTDNA personal page or on MitoSearch. The mt-H subclade test looks at still another section of mitochondrial DNA to assign you to a subclade within the H haplogroup (e.g., H2a).

          Unfortunately, as you probably know, mtDNA does not generally offer as precise geographical information as yDNA, even with these additional tests.

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          • #50
            H Haplogroup

            Hello,
            I received the same initial results of Haplogroup H with a single mutation at 16519C. You can ask for a refined Haplogroup Coding Region test for your region of origin. I did this accidentally thinking that it was the HVR2. I continued with the tests until now I have a full picture.

            Haplogroup - H8: 13101C
            HVR1 differences from CRS - 16519C
            HVR2 differences from CRS - 235G, 263G, 315.1C

            FTDNA sent this explanation:
            Mutation 519c occurs very often, it is a location that tends to mutate often. The additional location that was tested for your sample 13101C is much more stable, and it was having this mutation in the Coding region which indicates to the lab that you are in H8. The stability at this location is more important than the mutation at 519c in determining the sub clade of H.

            So far I have not found anyone who matches my results exactly. I do not have the usual 16288 mutation present in most H8s, which is a Haplogroup that is rarely found outside of the Middle East. This is strange because I was born in a small town in south Texas but married a young man of Kurdish descent.

            Good luck in you mtDNA quest!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by csimani
              Haplogroup - H8: 13101C
              HVR1 differences from CRS - 16519C
              HVR2 differences from CRS - 235G, 263G, 315.1C
              ...
              I do not have the usual 16288 mutation present in most H8s, which is a Haplogroup that is rarely found outside of the Middle East. This is strange because I was born in a small town in south Texas but married a young man of Kurdish descent.
              If I read this scholarly study and its Figure 2A correctly:

              http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Loogvali2004.pdf

              H8 (i.e., 13101C) without 16362C was only found in 3 Altaians (out of 17 total Altaians) and nowhere else on earth. 'Altaian' not in the linguistic sense, but the ethno-geographical sense:

              http://eng.altai-republic.ru/modules...rtid=40&page=1

              The interesting attribute of the Altaians is that much of the migration into the Americas (which produced our Native Americans) allegedly came from the Altai region, if I recall correctly.

              But of course, I would not jump to hasty conclusions about this either.
              Last edited by lgmayka; 19 July 2006, 07:53 PM.

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              • #52
                Haplogroup H

                I got a result that I am a member of Haplogroup H with 16304C,16311C and 16391A. Does anyone know what this means?

                Thanks.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by elptrekker
                  I got a result that I am a member of Haplogroup H with 16304C,16311C and 16391A. Does anyone know what this means?
                  You have some (low-resolution) matches on MitoSearch:

                  http://www.mitosearch.org

                  Mostly British-American, one French. Do you know that you can upload your mtDNA results into MitoSearch from the mtDNA Matches tab on your Family Tree DNA page?

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                  • #54
                    Haplogroup H

                    Thank you so much. I'll try the website.

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                    • #55
                      Any other H4's out there?

                      I just received my information my subset of Haplogroup H. I'm an H4. They say that is kind of unusual. Do I have any company?

                      Norene

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                      • #56
                        H4 info

                        Try here: http://www.freewebs.com/haplogrouph/h4analysis.htm for more information.

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                        • #57
                          Way back in the beginning, someone asked what a mutation at 16519C meant. Check out this web page:

                          http://www.familytreedna.com/hclade2.html

                          the hvr1 and hvr2 don't help much in determining your sub-clades, but 16519C
                          can eliminate you from some of the sub-clades.

                          Happy Hunting
                          Jeffrey D. Stewart
                          South Carolina

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by lgmayka
                            You have some (low-resolution) matches on MitoSearch:

                            http://www.mitosearch.org

                            Mostly British-American, one French. Do you know that you can upload your mtDNA results into MitoSearch from the mtDNA Matches tab on your Family Tree DNA page?
                            I am the only French one on there as far as I know. French H13.
                            Now I just wish there was more folks with French family backgrounds tested.

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