Link is now up to download to Geographic project

[Cinda]

Hi folks,
You can now upload your YDNA & mtDNA results from your personal page at FTDNA.
Since my paternal YDNA has already been SNP'D, it only cost me $15.
What a deal! Thank you FTDNA!
I'm very excited to be a part of the Geographic project!
Cinda

[T E Peterman]

I uploaded both my y-str markers & HVR data. This cost $30. My only complaint is that I now have a password for each. I went virtual with the y-str data, but backed off on entering all of the same data again for the mtDNA.

The reports that one gets are rather sophomoric compared to what we are used to at Family Tree DNA. The clearly reflect the Spencer Wells bias, as opposed to the interpretations of Stephen Oppenheimer. Wells, if I recall right, assumed an average male generation of 20 years plus. I averaged out the father-son generation spans in my pedigree & found that 32 years is closer to reality. (This might explain why Wells insists that the migration from Africa occurred 60,000 years ago, according to y-DNA, and 80,000, according to mtDNA. I think the 80,000 figure is closer to the truth.)

Don't upload your data for the reports. You already have something that is a far higher quality product from Family Tree DNA.

But there is an important reason to upload (unless I've been grossly misinformed). Although the reports reflect the rather simple tree that basic SNP analysis gives, there is hope that if enough data is gathered on enough people worldwide by a number of geneticists, far more complex trees can be created as more markers are discovered. The intent is for scientists to use the data for analysis for years to come, looking at DNA distribution patterns at a far greater level of complexity than any of us have seen yet.

National Geographic ends the description of R1b with the statement:

"There are many sublineages within R1b that are yet to be defined. The Genographic Project hopes to bring future clarity to the disparate parts of this distinctive European lineage."

This alone is a good reason why all R1b folk should spend that extra $15 & contribute their data to the Project.

Timothy Peterman

[penguin]

uploading in reverse?

Timothy - you mentioned the reports one gets from ftdna are more detailed than from the genographic project.

I recently gave a kit to my brother (who will likely never send it in, so it may be moot) for ydna to genographic project. If we ever get his results from national geographic, do you know if there's some way to get the more detailed ftdna report?

I have not done my homework, so it's possible this question has been answered in an obvious place i haven't come across yet.

thanks

[penguin]

what do you get when you upload?

One more question:for those who have uploaded their MtDna data to the genographic project, could you explain step by step what you get access to? Do you see how many samples have been collected so far and what the haplogroup breakdown is? (can you see the y data too?). do you get to see geographic info on all the particpants?

Is there any way to see the progress of the project without uploading one's own data? I last tried on their website a couple of weeks ago, but didn't get anywhere.
thanks

[T E Peterman]

All that I've been able to find so far at the Genographic website is my own data. Does anyone know of a link that shows all compiled results? I know that National Geographic plans to publish something after this is done. No, I don't have inside info -this is just common sense.

If I recall right, genographic participants are allowed to upgrade to Family Tree DNA.

My assumption that the Genographic project scientists will analyze results for additional, undetected so far, SNPs, would be valid only if they have access to the actual DNA. If all that they have to look at is the y-str numbers that I had Family Tree DNA forward to them, they won't be able to find anything new.

Family Tree DNA samples are stored at the University of Arizona. I think this is also a storage facility for the genographic project, so PERHAPS the genographic scientists will have access to the samples. Could someone at Family Tree DNA clarify this issue? Thanks.

Timothy Peterman
Group Administrator
Peterman Surname Project

[dentate]

Unwarranted delays

I paid my $30 to upload my mtDNA and Y DNA to the Genographic project 12 days ago. The Y data was posted in three days. Still nothing on the mtDNA, where I get a page saying that it is "in the lab"--obviously absurd, since the data was generated at FTDNA in February. I hope that FTDNA administration is keeping an eye on their arrangement with Genographic. Not that I will really learn anything new from my upload--the $30 is essentially a donation to the project--but Genographic has no excuse for posting one set of data in 3 days and the other not for 12 when all they have to do is type it in. It is simply the courteous thing to do to acknowledge the donation.

[Donald Locke]

I haven't participated in the Geno project yet. For you who have, do they have an area to search for a surname who has also participated? Finding others of the same surname who have taken the Geno test would be handy.
I assume this hasn't been made available. But if it is possible I'd like to know

[dentate]

It's meant to be a "deep ancestry" project Spencer Wells style. It is not about surnames or families and there is nothing on there to accommodate such a search, as far as I can tell from the Y site.