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    GregKiroKHR1bL1
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  • GregKiroKHR1bL1
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    Genebase has some nice articles on the subject.

    Figure 11. A map depicting the movements of human populations bearing Haplogroup R


    . . . a link to the early Aurignacian culture that spread over Europe. Evidence points to a refugium found in the Iberian Peninsula likely in the Franco-Cantabria region. Additional reports suggest the possibility of refuges in South East Europe around the Aegean Sea and in the Italian Peninsula.
    http://www.genebase.com/tutorial/item.php?tuId=11
    GregKiroKHR1bL1
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    Last edited by GregKiroKHR1bL1; 3 January 2010, 04:34 PM.

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  • GregKiroKHR1bL1
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    Chromosomes, mt-DNA, and other Prehistorical Data?

    There is some autosomal data in the article "Y chromosome diversity, human expansion, drift, and cultural evolution." But I think this sort of publication is a little too soon to be put into a project since most projects need many publications and some unique work of their own to be included. I think the good new is that articles using chromosomes are becoming more frequent. As in "Genome-wide patterns of population structure and admixture in West Africans and African Americans." I think the overall story is becoming very interesting.

    Originally posted by ~Elizabeth~ View Post
    If they ever update their Journey of Man, I wish it would include autosomal admixture tests. The original JOM claims that the Asians got their eye shape from the San Bushmen. They need to revise that and let it be known it is the other way around. The San have a high amount of Asian autosomal admixture. And I wish GP would include the DNATribes digests. I had a DNA Tribes digest thread that has disappeared. I hope this post doesn't disappear also.
    I do not think the project is finished yet.

    As for now, I suspect Hg IJK has something to do with how Europe was populated. I would not put any dates to haplogroup assignments as of now since there as some differences in recent and prehistoric data and literature. Nonetheless, I think now I have mastered somewhat the idea of "The Founding Effect," I still need some work in explaining "The Surfing Effect."

    Surfing Effect:
    Y chromosome diversity, human expansion, drift, and cultural evolution
    Jacques Chiaronia, Peter A. Underhillb and Luca L. Cavalli-Sforzac,
    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/20...DCSupplemental
    Fig. S5.
    Supporting Information
    Chiaronia et al. 10.1073/pnas.0910803106

    Britain Was Settled Seven Times by Ancient Humans Before the Final Settlement: The oldest human settlement was dated 700,000 years ago: The current British people are essentially the product only of the last influx 12,000 years. "Britain has suffered some of the most extreme climate changes of any area in the world during the Pleistocene," said Professor Stringer.
    During the cold glaciations, ice sheets advanced as far south as London, pushing away the first colonizers. "Either [the ancient humans] went extinct, or they traveled south and hunkered down in warmer areas such as Spain,"
    http://news.softpedi...ent-37597.shtml

    The European Upper Paleolithic man has been divided into two groups, the western population and the eastern population. The western sites have houses (Pfeiffer, 1969) arranged in established and settled clusters along the European and African coastline while the eastern sites are undeveloped and scattered from East Africa to the Middle East and wanders into Europe along several trade routes (Clark, 1970; Howells, 1959, et al.). The western population entered into Europe around 35 kya (Aurignacian). They were followed by other groups around 25 kya (Gravettian), 18 kya (Solutrean), 13 kya (Magdalenian), and 10 kya (Azilian). This is not an exclusive set of migrations into Europe, but it includes major technological developments of interest to scientist. After the Azilian Industry and 10 kya, we move out of the Upper Paleolithic, and into the Mesolithic and pre-pottery Neolithic.

    One of the earlier human settlements was found in Olomouc in the Czech Republic. This date is a little younger than the Romanian remains from 35 kya. Modern humans were thought to enter into Europe during the Aurignacian period. DNA studies prove that these people were not Neanderthal, but they represent modern humans. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...adecbones.html)

    Who were the Cro-Magnon people? "population bottleneck"

    The Cro-Magnoids have been found in the Mesolithic Period (8000 to 5000 BC) and the Neolithic Period (5000 to 2000 BC). Most likely, there were several mutations as the newer populations came into being.

    According to present theory the Cro-Magnon came from Central Asia through Africa into Europe by land bridges presumed to have then been connected Africa with Italy and Spain(Keith, Sir Arthur, N.Y. Times, Oct 12, 1930). Sir Arthur [Sir Arthur Keith. Born 5 Feb 1866; died 7 Jan 1955] concludes that the Southwestern part of Asia is now the only possible origin of the white man. But Drs. Leakey and Hans Reck think otherwise. In Africa, say they, men of modern type lived hundreds of thousands of years ago, before the Ice Age. (The Week's Science, Dec. 21, 1931).

    1) Scientists have found a jawbone belonging to the oldest known human inhabitants of Europe who lived in a lush, game-rich region of what is now northern Spain about 1.2 million years ago.
    2) may have been a common ancestor of the Neanderthals
    3) it suggests that southern Europe began to be colonised from western Asia not long after humans had emerged from Africa
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...in-801227.html

    David Caramelli (2003 study), concluded that Neanderthals were far outside the modern human range, while the Cro-Magnon people were well in the average of modern Europeans. DNA from the mitochondria retrieved from two Cro-Magnon specimens was identified as Haplogroup N which is believed to have originated in the Horn of Africa some 60,000 to 80,000 years before present. The Cro-Magnon people are morphologically modern humans who seemed to have coexisted with Neanderthals for up to 60,000 years in the Levant and for more than 15,000 years in France. Cro-Magnon 1 is one of five individuals found deliberately buried around 30,000 years old. Work on a limestone cliff uncovered a rock shelter. Upon further examination, four fossil adult skeletons, one infant, and some fragmentary bones were excavated near the back of the shelter where an occupation floor was exposed. The orientation and condition of shell and animal teeth led scientists to theorize that the skeletons were intentionally buried together in a grave in the shelter with these objects placed on the bodies as pendants or necklaces.

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  • ~Elizabeth~
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  • ~Elizabeth~
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    If they ever update their Journey of Man, I wish it would include autosomal admixture tests. The original JOM claims that the Asians got their eye shape from the San Bushmen. They need to revise that and let it be known it is the other way around. The San have a high amount of Asian autosomal admixture. And I wish GP would include the DNATribes digests. I had a DNA Tribes digest thread that has disappeared. I hope this post doesn't disappear also.

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  • gtc
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  • gtc
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    The Genographic Project is still saying that R1b men were the Cro-Magnons responsible for the famous cave paintings in Southern France, etc.

    Wish they would keep up with the latest info and update their web site.

    I would be happy to be the descendant of a cave-painting Cro-Magnon, but apparently that's just not the case.
    More and more I see the GP as a publicity vehicle for Spencer Wells and a generator of material for his books and TV programs. His objectives may have been valid at the outset years ago, but events and knowledge seem to have overtaken him, so I wonder what, if any, new information will be forthcoming at the end of this long project.

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  • Stevo
    R1b-FGC36981

  • Stevo
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    The Genographic Project is still saying that R1b men were the Cro-Magnons responsible for the famous cave paintings in Southern France, etc.

    Wish they would keep up with the latest info and update their web site.

    I would be happy to be the descendant of a cave-painting Cro-Magnon, but apparently that's just not the case.

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  • Darren
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  • Darren
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    Hello,

    You should be able to log into www.genographic.com under the slide show there should be a yellow bar that says Enter Your Genographic Project Kit ID. Enter it in and then click on the black Log In button to the right.

    Darren Marin
    Family Tree DNA

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  • darroll
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    Nope.
    They really helped us find where we came from.



    https://genographic.nationalgeograph...n/journey.html

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  • gtc
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  • gtc
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    Originally posted by Jambalaia32 View Post
    There is no longer a sign-in at National Geographic's Genographic Project- so does that mean that the Project is completed and there are no further studies in that area?
    I have always found it difficult to know exactly what they are doing and when. The latest I heard is that the GP will publish its results in 2011.

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  • Jambalaia32
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    Is Genographic completed?

    There is no longer a sign-in at National Geographic's Genographic Project- so does that mean that the Project is completed and there are no further studies in that area?
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