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  • The Supreme Expert and DNA Converges: Why Hg R Westward Hypothesis?

    According to present theory the Cro-Magnon came from Central Asia through Africa into Europe by land bridges presumed to have then been connected Africa with Italy and Spain (Keith, Sir Arthur, N.Y. Times, Oct 12, 1930). Sir Arthur [Sir Arthur Keith. Born 5 Feb 1866; died 7 Jan 1955] concludes that the Southwestern part of Asia is now the only possible origin of the white man. But Drs. Leakey and Hans Reck think otherwise. In Africa, say they, men of modern type lived hundreds of thousands of years ago, before the Ice Age. (The Week's Science, Dec. 21, 1931). We could speculate that Leakey and Keith most likely would be interested in DNA genealogy. However, a mathematical model would not be the bases for a hypothesis of the origin of man. It would only be part of evidence of one point of view or another. For a hypothesis to advance in scientific circles, it must be refined by the fire of not only mathematicians, but by scientist in every field. And the conclusion must converge upon only one theory. After its rise in popularity, the most extreme boundaries of proof must exist which is absent from public sentiment or desires. So, if Hg R had a westward migration from Central Asia, then it must be explained throughout the beginnings of civilizations in era such as the following:

    Part I~~~The set up for the so called Cro-Magnon invasion of Europe by Central Asians

    I. The Pre-Chellean Culture
    II. The Chellean Culture
    III. The Acheulean Culture
    IV. The Mousterian Culture
    V. The Aurignacian Culture
    VI. The Solutean Culture
    VII. The Magdalenian Culture

    Part II~~~We can now set ourselves up for the Indo-European Invasion of Europe
    I. Pre-Pottery Neolithic
    II. Pottery Neolithic
    III. Chalcolithic
    IV. Early Bronze Age
    V. Middle Bronze Age
    VI. Late Bronze Age
    VII. Iron Age

    Generally thought to be rooted in an Indo-European male god origin, these people were thought to be associated with power and war which led to the Aesir (Sky) while the Vanir (Earth) is associated with cultivation and fertility. The development of agriculture was different from the practice of the hunter-gathers in ways such that these people were later called pagan, and they were generally thought to be rooted in spirituality and witchcraft. The Cain and Able Cultures came together in various ways developing unique technologies. Carbon and later isotopic dating were able to fit into these experimental historical periods with the constant fluctuation of dates leading to convergence. And now if DNA evidence is to be acceptable for population, cultural, and civilization studies, it must absolutely converge with the fossil, isotopic, mythological and historical record.
    Last edited by GregKiroKHR1bL1; 27 January 2009, 09:09 PM.

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    Spelling Error: Solutrean

    I forgot to put a "r" in The Solutrean Culture

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    • #3
      Another Spelling Error

      It must be too late at night because I did not spell "Abel" correctly.

      Oh well, I could have talked about how the orbital quantum number relates to gene mutations, but as my sister would say, that's heavy.

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      • #4
        Oldowan

        DNA helped us to look at this better with the Oldowan culture

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        • #5
          Incredibility made credible?

          GregKiroh writes:
          "And now if DNA evidence is to be acceptable for population, cultural, and civilization studies, it must absolutely converge with the fossil, isotopic, mythological and historical record."

          Amen to that! Forget the spelling mistakes,it is one's ideas that matter especially after midnight!

          Several of us have posited timelines but they all need synthesising the way Roper has done in his "HSS Effects" charting, which offers climate and sea level records, to correlate with migration motivation and feasibility.


          Comments:
          1.Those 1930, quietly racist, pronouncements were one source of using the term "Caucasian" in US census forms. The idea of an origin in the Caucasus and migration into and then back out of Africa stands in danger of shaving by Occam's Razor, in view of the simplifying DNA discovery, of a flow from a post- African "landing" timespot, round the world both ways, to meet again in the New World.

          2. In explaining DNA findings, We must surely welcome the development of careful timescales coevally linking DNA extrapolations to culture (which includes language, religious records, migrations, and demic expropriations) as demonstrated by finds in history and archaeology.
          Paleolinguistics? It leaves me incredulously amazed; Yet, based as it is on scarce ancient inscriptions and a remarkable talent for sonic code-breaking intuition from modern tongues, it cannot be discounted. Mythology? That also is data for decoding.

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          • #6
            The Story is More Interesting than the 1930s

            It seems as if sampling is also influencing timelines too. I really enjoy them. I am looking towards Hg IJK for some hints. But from the literature, the field work is not over yet.

            European Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication 4 March 2009; doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2009.6


            So far, I have a minimum of four time ranges for the birth date of Abraham. And all supporting sources think they are better than the other.

            Originally posted by derinos View Post
            GregKiroh writes:
            "And now if DNA evidence is to be acceptable for population, cultural, and civilization studies, it must absolutely converge with the fossil, isotopic, mythological and historical record."

            Amen to that! Forget the spelling mistakes,it is one's ideas that matter especially after midnight!

            Several of us have posited timelines but they all need synthesising the way Roper has done in his "HSS Effects" charting, which offers climate and sea level records, to correlate with migration motivation and feasibility.


            Comments:
            1.Those 1930, quietly racist, pronouncements were one source of using the term "Caucasian" in US census forms. The idea of an origin in the Caucasus and migration into and then back out of Africa stands in danger of shaving by Occam's Razor, in view of the simplifying DNA discovery, of a flow from a post- African "landing" timespot, round the world both ways, to meet again in the New World.

            2. In explaining DNA findings, We must surely welcome the development of careful timescales coevally linking DNA extrapolations to culture (which includes language, religious records, migrations, and demic expropriations) as demonstrated by finds in history and archaeology.
            Paleolinguistics? It leaves me incredulously amazed; Yet, based as it is on scarce ancient inscriptions and a remarkable talent for sonic code-breaking intuition from modern tongues, it cannot be discounted. Mythology? That also is data for decoding.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GregKiroKHR1bL1 View Post
              It seems as if sampling is also influencing timelines too. I really enjoy them. I am looking towards Hg IJK for some hints. But from the literature, the field work is not over yet.
              (That link did not parse but Google found it.) Great article! which does not prove that Paleo to Neolithic was solely by a demic wave of advance, Hollywood style, all at once everywhere, but it certainly did something like that in that German sampling place. A bit like the little Italian Greek or Chinese colonies in the USA, bringing a food culture change even to places where now all the Pizza bars are owned by Minnesota Norwegians.

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              • #8
                Eastern Waters and Transcaucasian Migrations

                I was looking at an old 2007 map the other day about the hypothesized out of Africa migrations. The first one was dated sometimes around 60kya towards the eastern coast of India and onward. And the other one was dated around 45-35kya from the transcaucasian area westward into Europe, northward into Euroasia to Europe, and the another eastward to Lake Balkhash. It is amazing how some people look at mountain climbing but neglect the easy route around the seas . . . the result is the same though . . . It is interesting to find hg with more recent SNPs with low percentage along these routes in the indigenous population. Nonetheless, this reminds me of two famous stories of migrations . . .

                Originally posted by derinos View Post
                (That link did not parse but Google found it.) Great article! which does not prove that Paleo to Neolithic was solely by a demic wave of advance, Hollywood style, all at once everywhere, but it certainly did something like that in that German sampling place. A bit like the little Italian Greek or Chinese colonies in the USA, bringing a food culture change even to places where now all the Pizza bars are owned by Minnesota Norwegians.

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