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  • #31
    Originally posted by purple flowers
    Oh yes that can't work because Sue-bi and Canaanani are not like 10000 years old... too bad that was starting to look kind of interesting
    now this is really dangerous

    http://www.members.cox.net/banksfami...armatians.html
    note the eurasian amazon women.... ever seen a flat head? they look kinda like lizards or the alien in alien vs preditor

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    • #32
      my mistake re Suebi

      I lost track of the time element, regarding Celtiberian and Suebi migration to Spain. The Celtiberians must have migrated at a much earlier time, also probably from Germany. Celtic and Germanic are Indoeuropean languages. But the DNA of the Germans and Celts would hold much DNA from the pre-Indoeuropeans whom they absorbed when they took over Europe.

      U5b2 & R1a1

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      • #33
        Imescales

        Originally posted by PDHOTLEN
        I lost track of the time element, regarding Celtiberian and Suebi migration to Spain. The Celtiberians must have migrated at a much earlier time, also probably from Germany. Celtic and Germanic are Indoeuropean languages. But the DNA of the Germans and Celts would hold much DNA from the pre-Indoeuropeans whom they absorbed when they took over Europe.

        U5b2 & R1a1
        Just musing; yours was not a mistake, just our modern terminology, as usual, implying meanings beyond the discipline! Ancient reportage names are implying cultural, religious, linguistic and DNA identity. Those RomanoGreek reporters have much to explain!

        "German" was a non-specific Roman reporters' word for all people in the huge NE region outside the Roman Empire, (excluding such provinces as Gaul, Trakia and Dakia, which incidentally spoke Celtic dialects.) The term does not imply DNA identity. Timescale late preRoman.
        "Celtic" is a linguistics-history word for the language believed to have been used by the mass of people that filled most of Southern Europe just before the Roman Empire. It does not imply DNA identity. Timescale , late pre-Roman.
        "Indoeuropean" is a linguistics-history word for the root language that branched off as Celtic and Germanic. Without evidence of major population replacement, (as shown by Sykes' work,) the Indoeuropean languages, and Neolithic farming, flowed over Europe with only 20% replacement of the Paleolithic DNA identifiers. Timescale ca 10,000 ybp.

        "Celtiberian" defeats my search for clear definition. There is some confusion between RomanoGreek reported inmigrations (timescale ca3000ybp), and ancient refugial presence and (DNA-supported) persistence from the LGM (Ca 20,000 ybp). These sturdy Paleolithic survivors may well have acquired Celtic variety IE as it came by, to be later G-R reported as "Celt-Iberians".
        IMHO the late preRoman-era Suebii are defined purely by their cultural self-name "the free ones" as given in the RomanoGreek reports. From those reports, their DNA make-up, may well have been federal-tribal, with one or two core-tribal "founder" descriptors.
        Last edited by derinos; 9 February 2008, 08:23 PM. Reason: Terms

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