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The Yueh-chih or "White Huns" and R1b1c

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  • #16
    Very interesting study Stevo!

    What is needed is a single place where one could get access to all ancient DNA results that have been found to-date. It is extremely difficult at this point to get a clear idea of who was where and when.

    John

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Johnserrat
      Very interesting study Stevo!

      What is needed is a single place where one could get access to all ancient DNA results that have been found to-date. It is extremely difficult at this point to get a clear idea of who was where and when.

      John
      That's true.

      It's also plain that all studies are not equal. Some use bigger sample sizes and more SNPs than others.

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      • #18
        After re-reading Dr. Mallory's work on the Tocharians in his book, In Search of the Indo-Europeans (pp. 56-63), and coupling that with what we know of this new Khusnutdinova study, I am becoming more and more convinced the Tocharians were mostly R1b1c.

        Tocharian has two branches, A and B. Both are centum Indo-European languages.

        Mallory identifies several groups as probably Tocharian speaking:


        first, the settled peoples -

        1) the Kucheans;

        2) the Karashahrians;

        3) the Turfanians;

        and the nomadic tribes -

        4) the Wu-Sun; and

        5) the Yueh-chih.

        Mallory says Chinese sources describe the Wu-Sun as having red hair and blue eyes, and, as we saw earlier, the Chinese Shih-chih describes the Yueh-chih as having long blond hair.

        Tocharian Tarim Basin (NW China) wall paintings depict people with red hair and green eyes.

        Although red hair is found all over the world, I believe it reaches its maximum in Ireland and the British Isles.

        Here are the points I am making with that last comment:

        1) the Tocharians are depicted in ancient Chinese documents and in Tocharian wall paintings as having had red hair; 2) there is a lot of R1b1c among the people who currently live in the places in which the Tocharians once lived; and 3) Ireland and the British Isles have the highest frequency of red hair anywhere, as well as lots of R1b1c; sooo (gasping for breath), perhaps there is a connection and that connection is a common origin and that origin is related to y-haplogroup R1b1c.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Stevo
          1) the Tocharians are depicted in ancient Chinese documents and in Tocharian wall paintings as having had red hair; 2) there is a lot of R1b1c among the people who currently live in the places in which the Tocharians once lived; and 3) Ireland and the British Isles have the highest frequency of red hair anywhere, as well as lots of R1b1c; sooo (gasping for breath), perhaps there is a connection and that connection is a common origin and that origin is related to y-haplogroup R1b1c.
          One thing I should have given prominent mention is the fact that the Tocharians spoke a centum Indo-European language, which is unusual so far east.

          That's another piece in the puzzle that seems to point to a close association between R1b1c and the ancient Tocharian tribes.

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