Ydna in the Nordic countries.

[dwight]

Good to know - did not know that.

I made the map in 2006. Back then N1c1 was known as N3.

my predicted 'I1a' would today be known as 'I1'
my predicted 'I1c' would today be known as 'I2b1'

[Paul_Johnsen]

Paul - thank you, this is interesting.
As an N (N1c1), I'm curious about the nomenclature: The only 'N' map is labeled 'N3'. Can you (or anyone) tell me how that is used?

I haven't seen 'N3' used (N haplogroups in FTDNA include N, N1, N1a, N1b, N1b1, N1c,N1c1, N1c1a, N1c1b, N1c1c) Thanks!

I made the map in 2006. Back then N1c1 was known as N3.

my predicted 'I1a' would today be known as 'I1'
my predicted 'I1c' would today be known as 'I2b1'

[dwight]

Paul - thank you, this is interesting.
As an N (N1c1), I'm curious about the nomenclature: The only 'N' map is labeled 'N3'. Can you (or anyone) tell me how that is used?

I haven't seen 'N3' used (N haplogroups in FTDNA include N, N1, N1a, N1b, N1b1, N1c,N1c1, N1c1a, N1c1b, N1c1c) Thanks!

I was made aware that there seems to be something wrong with the initial pdf. I am therefore trying to repost it.

[Paul_Johnsen]

I was made aware that there seems to be something wrong with the initial pdf. I am therefore trying to repost it.

[Paul_Johnsen]

Hello all,

I found a reference at Wikipedia about a Nordic R1a Y-DNA Project. Unfortunately, I fail to find any references to managers of such a project, but there is a reference to this thread

Do any of you have any more information about how I could register for participation? I will not check out this thread regularly, so please send me an email to [email protected] as well.

FYI, I am R1b1, but one of my maternal uncles is R1a and his roots are traceable to Smaaland county, Sweden, so I would submit his data. He was tested by EthnoAncestry (and Oxford Ancestors further back), so any data would have to be submitted manually, I suppose.

Best regards,
Mikael Hammer

Mikael (and others), the Nordic R1a YDNA project is not a FTDNA-project. It is a private Scandinavian language mailing list. Should any wish to gain access; please mail me at bljohnse at hotmail dot com. I can contact the administrators.

I am also aware of a Norwegian mailing list about Norwegian genetics in general. (only Norwegian language).

How do I participate in "Nordic R1a Y-DNA Project"

Hello all,

I found a reference at Wikipedia about a Nordic R1a Y-DNA Project. Unfortunately, I fail to find any references to managers of such a project, but there is a reference to this thread

Do any of you have any more information about how I could register for participation? I will not check out this thread regularly, so please send me an email to [email protected] as well.

FYI, I am R1b1, but one of my maternal uncles is R1a and his roots are traceable to Smaaland county, Sweden, so I would submit his data. He was tested by EthnoAncestry (and Oxford Ancestors further back), so any data would have to be submitted manually, I suppose.

Best regards,
Mikael Hammer

[rainbow]

It seems we all came from the east. Eurasia. Just at different times.


Who were the Western Europeans prior the Younger Dryas Period?

Was the then Western European population compromised because of the event in the following article.

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Abundant tiny particles of diamond dust exist in sediments dating to 12,900 years ago at six North American sites, adding strong evidence for Earth's impact with a rare swarm of carbon-and-water-rich comets or carbonaceous chondrites, reports a nine-member scientific team.

"The nanodiamonds that we found at all six locations exist only in sediments associated with the Younger Dryas Boundary layers, not above it or below it,"

Nanometer-sized diamonds occur at the base a layer of sediment directly above the remains of extinct animals (mammoths, dire wolves, etc.) and artifacts from Clovis culture at the research site in Murray Springs, Arizona

(more...)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0101172136.htm

That is interesting.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre5013yz-us-diamonds-comet/

I'll put it in the American Indian thread.

[M.O'Connor]

Sykes confused me with his mythological names for haplogroups. He also refers to signature mutations, but does not say what those signature mutations for the various haplogroups are (for all of them).

Since it looks like R1b originated somewhere in the east (along with R1a), I tended to regard it as a later arrival to the Britiish Isles.

U5b2 & R1a1

It seems we all came from the east. Eurasia. Just at different times.


Who were the Western Europeans prior the Younger Dryas Period?

Was the then Western European population compromised because of the event in the following article.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



Abundant tiny particles of diamond dust exist in sediments dating to 12,900 years ago at six North American sites, adding strong evidence for Earth's impact with a rare swarm of carbon-and-water-rich comets or carbonaceous chondrites, reports a nine-member scientific team.

"The nanodiamonds that we found at all six locations exist only in sediments associated with the Younger Dryas Boundary layers, not above it or below it,"

Nanometer-sized diamonds occur at the base a layer of sediment directly above the remains of extinct animals (mammoths, dire wolves, etc.) and artifacts from Clovis culture at the research site in Murray Springs, Arizona

(more...)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...90101172136.htm

[PDHOTLEN]

no, I haven't, but

I'll see if I can latch on to a copy of "The Origins of the British."

U5b2 & R1a1

Sykes confused me with his mythological names for haplogroups. He also refers to signature mutations, but does not say what those signature mutations for the various haplogroups are (for all of them).

Since it looks like R1b originated somewhere in the east (along with R1a), I tended to regard it as a later arrival to the Britiish Isles.

U5b2 & R1a1

Have you read "The Origins of the British" by Steven Oppenheimer?I think its a very good book.It makes a lot more sense of the haplogroups in Ireland as well as England.

Oriel

[PDHOTLEN]

Sykes confuses me

Sykes confused me with his mythological names for haplogroups. He also refers to signature mutations, but does not say what those signature mutations for the various haplogroups are (for all of them).

Since it looks like R1b originated somewhere in the east (along with R1a), I tended to regard it as a later arrival to the Britiish Isles.

U5b2 & R1a1

R1b

I recently looked at Bryan Sykes book "Saxons, Vikings, and Celts" again. He gives an interesting account of early British history and mythology. His description of the "Danelaw" matches the map from the above message, where there was a truce between invader Danes and the Saxons.

It looks like haplogroup I (Oisin) was the earliest Y-DNA haplogroup in Ireland, and i would guess in the British Isles in general. They were the husbands of mtHapogroup U5, by the looks of it.

I also read Sykes book and he names "R1b" [Oisin].Most of the Irish tested are R1b (85%).

Oriel

[Eki]

Icelandic Barthi Guthmundsson believed that some of the first settlers in Iceland were Heruli who had come from Denmark and settled in Norway:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2854819

Interestingly Fornjot, king of Finland and Kvenland, is considered the terminal ancestor of many modern Icelandic families:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fornjotr

Fornjot is also, following a particular legendary genealogical tradition, the first-known direct paternal ancestor of William I of England and also through other supposed descendants a terminal ancestor of ascending branches of many European noble families and modern Icelandic families.

[Eki]

If the Heruli were expelled from Blekinge, where did they go? To Finland? The most common I1-halotype in Finland, I1-Bothnia, resembles the most common I1-haplotype in Blekinge:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gallgaedhil/haplo_i1a_part_1.htm

I1a Haplotype #4
The top frequencies for this haplotype are overwhelmingly Scandinavian.

19 389i 389ii 390 391 392 393 385a 385b
14 12 28 23 10 11 13 14 14

Geographical Locale %
Blekinge, Sweden 9.52
Finland 8.52
Central Norway 8.33
Uppsala, Sweden 7.02

[Eki]

Procopius wrote in the 6th century that some Heruli settled near Danes and Geats in southern Sweden around Blekinge, but the Danes and and the Geats expelled them later:

http://www.gedevasen.dk/heruleng.html

The Western Gauts on their side, however, appear to have had troubles already with the Eastgermanic "forerunners" (Finnestorp and Vennebo). When the Heruls took up their old way of living (plundering and tribute) - which they had to do when living in Smaaland/Blekinge - they provoked the Danes to expell them, and the Gauts would probably support the Danes.