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  • How much R1a do the Sami have?

    I speculated in the "R1a haplgroup" thread that the R1a in Scandinavia and Finland originates from the Khazars. I then noticed the Khazar empire had towns called Samiran, Samandar and Sambalut:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar#Khazar_towns

    Maybe the name of Sami also came from the Khazars?

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    Sami in Sweden and on the Kola penninsula have around 20% R1a while its less than 5% among the Sami in northern Lappland, Finland (Anara, Skolt).

    If Khazars spread as horseriders into Sami territory I think the dense taiga alone in Finland and the difficult terrain and climate further north would make any rapid expansion into these areas extremly difficult on a horseback.

    Noaide

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Noaide
      Sami in Sweden and on the Kola penninsula have around 20% R1a while its less than 5% among the Sami in northern Lappland, Finland (Anara, Skolt).

      If Khazars spread as horseriders into Sami territory I think the dense taiga alone in Finland and the difficult terrain and climate further north would make any rapid expansion into these areas extremly difficult on a horseback.

      Noaide
      I think they more likely used waterways and boats, just like the Rus or Varangian traders.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Eki
        I then noticed the Khazar empire had towns called Samiran, Samandar and Sambalut:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar#Khazar_towns
        These Khazar towns names clearly have Persian roots (eg, samandar = sea); Khazar origins around the Caspian seaboard is a distinct probability. A small portion of Khazar Jews who have migrated to Europe and merged amongst the Ashkenazim belong to the Y-Chromosome Haplogroup R2, while others belong to R1a.

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        • #5
          I'm R1a1 too

          My paternal ancestry is Norwegian. Since R1a1 is regarded as little more than a prehistoric incursion, I keep an eye on origin theories pertaining to my haplogroup.

          That said, I don't really attempt to unearth deep scientific papers, since I don't have direct access to them.

          I remember reading, a long time ago, that Sweden had an invasion of dark-haired horsemen. If that's the case, and they were these R1a's, then they probably came in from around the top of the Gulf of Bothnia. I assume they had advanced intelliigence of what was on the Scandinavian peninsula before they invaded. I suspect metal ore-rich terraine might have been a factor. On the other hand, maybe those good--looking blond Scandie girls attracted them.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PDHOTLEN
            My paternal ancestry is Norwegian. Since R1a1 is regarded as little more than a prehistoric incursion, I keep an eye on origin theories pertaining to my haplogroup.

            That said, I don't really attempt to unearth deep scientific papers, since I don't have direct access to them.

            I remember reading, a long time ago, that Sweden had an invasion of dark-haired horsemen. If that's the case, and they were these R1a's, then they probably came in from around the top of the Gulf of Bothnia. I assume they had advanced intelliigence of what was on the Scandinavian peninsula before they invaded. I suspect metal ore-rich terraine might have been a factor. On the other hand, maybe those good--looking blond Scandie girls attracted them.

            Those good looking blonde Scandie girl sure attract me!

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