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  • #16
    Originally posted by efgen
    Glenn - For many mtDNA haplogroups, the defining mutations are not in the HVR1 or HVR2 regions that most of us have tested. Instead, they are in the coding regions, so FTDNA has to test for additional mutations in the coding region in order to correctly identify the haplogroup.

    vraatyah - FTDNA doesn't automatically provide the list of coding region mutations that they test to determine haplogroup. I don't know if they would provide the info if asked.
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    In reading the above, it makes me wonder if there are other mtDNA tests I could take that would give further info on mutations...? I only have 4 mutations listed with the Genographic Project...and my current Haplogroup is T. Would further testing be worthwhile?

    Ronda (curlygirl_3d)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by curlygirl_3d
      In reading the above, it makes me wonder if there are other mtDNA tests I could take that would give further info on mutations...? I only have 4 mutations listed with the Genographic Project...and my current Haplogroup is T. Would further testing be worthwhile?
      Ronda (curlygirl_3d)
      Ronda,

      Have you transferred your mtDNA results to FTDNA yet? If not, that should be your first step, and it's free. Log in to your GP webpage, and at the very bottom, there's a link to learn more about Family Tree DNA. Follow the instructions there to create your FTDNA account. Once you have your FTDNA account, you will be able to see everyone in the FTDNA database who you match.

      Genographic Project tests only HVR1. Through FTDNA, you can order the HVR2 test (I think it's $75), which will give you more mutations and refine who you match. However, be aware that even with HVR1+HVR2, your matches still probably won't be within a genealogical timeframe.

      The one other test you could take which would further refine your matches is the mtDNA Full Sequence, which tests the entire mtDNA. However, it's very pricey right now, so relatively few people order this test and therefore it wouldn't immediately be beneficial for matching against other people.

      You may want to read through the mtDNA tutorial page for more info:

      http://www.ftdna.com/mtDNA_tutorial.html

      You should also upload your results to Mitosearch, which is a public database that people who tested with any company can upload their results to. There's will be a link to do that on the mtDNA Matches page of your FTDNA account.

      Elise

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      • #18
        Originally posted by efgen
        Ronda,

        Have you transferred your mtDNA results to FTDNA yet? If not, that should be your first step, and it's free. Genographic Project tests only HVR1. Through FTDNA, you can order the HVR2 test (I think it's $75), which will give you more mutations and refine who you match.

        The one other test you could take which would further refine your matches is the mtDNA Full Sequence, which tests the entire mtDNA. However, it's very pricey right now, so relatively few people order this test and therefore it wouldn't immediately be beneficial for matching against other people.

        You should also upload your results to Mitosearch, which is a public database that people who tested with any company can upload their results to.
        Elise
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        Hi Elise,

        Thanks for the info. I did upload my info to FamilyTreeDNA and Mitosearch already, but missed mention of a second test. I'll look into that.
        The other, pricy one, I guess I'll just have to wait on.

        Thanks so much!
        Ronda

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        • #19
          Originally posted by curlygirl_3d
          Thanks for the info. I did upload my info to FamilyTreeDNA and Mitosearch already, but missed mention of a second test. I'll look into that.
          The other, pricy one, I guess I'll just have to wait on.
          At the top right of your myFTDNA page, there's an "order tests" link. I think they need to make that more noticable

          Elise

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rojamg
            Just revisited the Genographic site. My wife went from U to F which made sense since not alot of Finns passed thru India on their journey up north. I went from R1a to R1a1.

            How do these changes i groups occur?

            Secondly, ran my wife thru MitoSearch, and not a single match. Is the database that small, or are mtdna Haplogroup F folks just "special".

            Best, Glenn

            actually they did

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            • #21
              Efgen, it seems you underestimate the useless of the hvs sequencing. Some coding-region mutations can be outweighted by a particular HVS motif. From the more formal viewpoint, all we have in phylogeny, is the characters and their weights. It is the border where biology ends and math starts

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              • #22
                Well it's final, for now

                Rceived this from FTDNA:

                I've checked with Dr. Behar and he has confirmed that the correct haplogroup
                assignment has been made, and that there is no mutation in the HVR1 region
                that has not already been reported.


                So I'm now a R1a1 instead of a R1a. My wife is a R instead of a U.

                A Polish Pole marrying a Southeast Asia Indian makes more sense than a Persian Pole marrying a Finnish Indian, but isn't quite as fun

                Thanks All for Help.

                Bests, Glenn

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                • #23
                  rojamg:

                  R & R - certainly a match!

                  cacio

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rojamg
                    Rceived this from FTDNA:

                    A Polish Pole marrying a Southeast Asia Indian makes more sense than a Persian Pole marrying a Finnish Indian, but isn't quite as fun
                    The Ray Banks Haplogroup G Website has me identified with the Ossetian's on his Haplogroup G Cluster Chart. I also have a long line of cute little Polish grandmothers. EGADS! I'M POLISH PERSIAN.

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