American Indian admixture in White Americans

[~Elizabeth~]

Yes the old car doors used to come open.
My Mom fell out, then my buddy later.
No-one was hurt though.

They were lucky they didn't get hurt.

[gtc]

Years ago my father told me he father was a passenger in a car, not wearing a seatbelt, and the driver (one of his older brothers) was swerving and my grandfather was knocked out of the car and was run over by another vehicle(s?) and he died.

If that occurred, then there ought to have been some sort of police report. However, tracking that down may be a big ask.

[~Elizabeth~]

If that occurred, then there ought to have been some sort of police report. However, tracking that down may be a big ask.

I don't think there was a police report. But maybe there was. Thank you for the suggestion. I was told that my grandfathers brother (the driver) moved out of the state (he has since died too). Maybe charges weren't pressed because it was family. But I could look into it.
When my father grew up he was the driver in a fatal accident (2 people died), also in NJ, but since he was in the Army the Army took control of the scene and my father was never questioned or drug tested by the police. But that is another story.
Sorry to go off topic. For the last few years my main focus was getting at the root of my Native American ancestry mystery. What is your opinion of 23andme and AncestryByDna and DNATribes? What would you think is the truth? Can all 3 be right, but looks at DNA at different angles?

[~Elizabeth~]

The Ancestry By Dna test is back. It is now offered by DNA Diagnostic Center. They do the paternity testing for the Maury Povich talk show and also for tv court shows. George Lopez has a talk show now and he read ABD results for two people in show biz.

Larry David is 63% European & 37% Indigenous American.

Jessica Alba is 87% European & 13% Indigenous American.

[~Elizabeth~]

Arabs toured with Sioux

I saw an episode of the Antiques Roadshow a week or two ago. Someone brought in posters from the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show from around 1908-1909-1910 that included something I never heard of before: Pawnee Bill Far East Show. The people on the poster looked sort of Middle Eastern because of their costumes. I think it was the red turbans. It was on my mind and I googled it. The Far East Show had Japanese and Chinese and Arab performers and they traveled with Buffalo Bills Sioux performers. I tried to find out exactly what kind of Arab they were, because "Arab" can be a blanket term. I don't know their names. I have posted before about a 1910 census listing Sioux (Wild West Show) living in Hamilton, New Jersey. Now I know there could have been Arabs in NJ, where my father's line is from. Maybe that is how I got my current top DNATribes matches to Syria and Morocco (Arabic speakers), in addition to my 17% Native American from AncestryByDNA.

[~Elizabeth~]

I can totally believe my paternal grandmother was adopted and had the genes of Arab and Amerindian performers from a Wild West Show. My paternal grandmother and her kids were the most boisterous, physical, adventurous, competive, playful, high-energy, lively, athletic bunch I've ever seen or been around. And that includes the time I came across a huge gathering at a Queens, NY park for a soccer match in progress between two Latin American teams.

[GregKiroKHR1bL1]

One problem I remember when I took my army physical was with the doctors who did not know what to do because I had such detail knowledge of my grandparents. I had the same problem with job interviews (and in dating). Good grief, my genetic tests matched with my oral family history. The story was not the same in military school where whatever you said people repeated without discernment. So, I guess it is a cultural thing associated with age and other parameters. From what I can gather, people think differently about themselves based upon social position, and it is hard to realize that other people think of the world differently. This actually helps to determine Y-DNA and mt-DNA pairs, and so different dispositions develop as people grow older.

[rainbow]

advice and opinions wanted.

I have a question. I will like to ask your opinion. Who here thinks I should mark the "two or more races" box on the 2010 census? Should I include Native American and put "unknown" on the line that asks for name of tribe? Or put only white? I got a census form at the library and filled it out just as white, but I haven't mailed it yet. I got a second form. I could put "a small amount of 17th century Potowomeck on my maternal grandmother's side, and (possible) significant amount of unknown tribe on my paternal grandmother's side". The census doesn't have to mailed now. I can send it in April. I may not send it in at all.

[rainbow]

census advice. Include American Indian?

And I welcome private messages (pm) too. I also would like advice on how to word what to say in the write-in section, if I should write anything. Thanks in advance.

[purple flowers]

hi elizabeth
well you can do what you want... but it won't do any good unless you put which tribe you are associated with. only then do they get money and or grants based on those figures. and none of the part bloods money/numbers will be given to anyone.
so unless you claim to only be from one tribe and do not put being part blooded .. does that tribe get any benefits. and mostly the government wants you to be a member of that tribe or a descendant and culturally connected to the tribe you list.
I do not know what will happen with all of the people claiming to state tribes and un-federally recognized tribes or just claiming " mixed blood" to whatever tribes like lumbee and such to that question was.
so it is up to you I do not know what you feel or are connected to...
anyway have you read the almost 120 pages of " Levellois in the USA" thread at ABOUT.com archaeology section . the thread with 33000 hits .
it pretty well proves they do not know , nor to they have a clue.. who was here or what happened. I put in there the latest study of people claiming native with varying degrees of proofs and what their y and mtdna dna is coming back as.. so no scientism does not know who was here, they do not know why mtdna mutates .. how can they walk it backwards..... they can only tell you what is now. so you will want to read that when you get a lot of time.. if I do not know who was here and I guarantee they sure don't.
heck they still have to prove mtdna is valid for tracing lineage and I put a study on there about why it is not valid for tracing lineage.

[rainbow]

Thank you Purple Flowers.
I looked at the Levellois info.
Looks as if the archaelogists are saying that the Neanderthals, or homo erectus, or ?, were in the Americas first and they made the first hand tools.
But that doesn't clear up what I should put on the census. I could just write in my dna results.

[purple flowers]

here's another opinion

http://www.backlash.com/content/race/2010/rodvanmechelen_2010_0322.html

personally I am not convinced as a treaty party offspring , because I understand fully what a corrupt government over the last 150 years is capable of ...I am not sure that I want to give 'tribalsism' that much power/money and sway. power corrupts completely.... and most of the tribe are powerless and corrupt to the core to start with.. I feel too much power will cause a complete distrust mode. my ancestors tribe been there done that..
I do not want to see that happen again.
if everyone did what he is recommending on the census ... just watch what is going on with the casino tribes, what a mess. they are kicking out their own in order to get bigger checks.. just another power struggle and people will end up dead one of these days soon enough.. I wont be responsible for that.

[rainbow]

Thanks for the link.
It would be nice if every American who has (or thinks they may have?) some Native American Indian ancestry will include that ancestry on the census form. What bothers me is the completely different dna results I have. DNATribes used to say I was consistent with 1/8, with 1/8 to 1/4 Native American ancestry not excluded, but now they say I am consistent with 1/8 Native American ancestry but in the range of being fully European to being one quarter Native American. And about my recent Horn of Africa and Sahelian results, they also said I am most consistent with fully European (they say I have some Near Eastern ancestry) but in a possible range of up to a quarter African. 23andme says I have less than one percent African and zero Asian-Amerindian. AncestryByDNA says I have zero African and seventeen percent Native American (Indigenous American).
photo of my NJ paternal grandmother: http://i41.tinypic.com/6yiee1.jpg

[purple flowers]

well she looks like about 70-90% of my cousins. but that doesn't mean she was or wasn't here... but she does look like she could be in my line. she looks very similar to the ones who's dads were 100% irish/scottish or sometimes germanish . if she is old world or new world I can not tell you that .
but I will say I have no doubt my dna would show up as taureg as that the most logical and culturally simular groups in the old world that are where my ancestors told and passed down to me that we were from that direction and or have a similar source as tuareg and wadaabe.. so I sure would probably match where my ancestors suggested we might be from.
I have no doubt my dna would look "tuareg" maybe even fulani or wadaabe possibly or maybe sea people of the MED or even Egyptian . considering 25 to 30 % of egyptians have shovel teeth and that is After Arabization of their nations... it makes me wonder what real ancient egyptians and sea people looked likeand where they were run off too exactly ..
it is not likely recently late coming taureg or fulani /Wadaabe or even Sardinian and the closest Sardianians came from here . it is most likely Red Paint Clan. I wish I could figure out who like the guanches had those waadabe type "marriage " ceremonies and traditions. was it ancient pre cherokee who came from the south or the or the "giants" they adopted..
you might like this .



I just read this the other day , I found it quite interesting.

""""Hahah... my mom's family traces back to Norway's King Harald (ca. 840-933). Of course, so does every other Norwegian on the planet!

Funny story told by someone I used to know, who traced American Indian genealogies for a living:

Mary gave a presentation at some outfit like "Daughters of the Pilgrims" (I forget exactly) and afterward a woman came up, genealogical scroll in hand, and proudly proclaimed that she was descended from Famous Pilgrim Woman (whose name I also forget).

Mary said, "No, you're not."

The woman insisted, "Yes I am; here she is in my pedigree!"

Mary said, "No, you're not. Famous Pilgrim Woman was sterile; she adopted 13 Indian children."


I wonder how many "real indians" don't know they were once and think they are pilgrams from famous or not famous white women.. ""
I can't remember where I found it , someplace on the net .

[rainbow]

Guess what I found out by accident this afternoon. I found out that I have 184 relatives on 23andme! I thought I had none at all until one person contacted me thru 23andme, and I was happy to have that one match (a fourth cousin. we still don't know where we connect.)
Now I know there are another 183 people. None of those contacted me, but maybe they were expecting to be notified by 23andme by email and don't know of our matches either. Some have American Indian mtdna.