American Indian admixture in White Americans

[gtc]

Most of my posts in this thread were about various theories on how my paternal grandmother could be 68% , more or less, Native American ancestry. And I have been trying to find and contact her for years. On Sunday, Nov. 15th, I asked my mom to help me search for her online and we found her - my paternal grandmother died Nov. 12th. Her funeral is today, Tuesday November 17th, 2009.

Extraordinary bad luck on the timing.

I hope you get an information breakthrough via your aunt, if not your father.

Best of luck with all of that.

[rainbow]

On the left side choices on the menu at 23andMe, look under "account" for "23andMe Labs".

Click on that and the NA finder is the 4th option down the page.

Thank you rucksack.
Did you test with 23andme? What were your admixture percentages? I recall reading, probably in this thread or somewhere on the forum, that people from Finland would get European and Native American results from AncestryByDna. I remember you are Finnish.

[rainbow]

Extraordinary bad luck on the timing.

I hope you get an information breakthrough via your aunt, if not your father.

Best of luck with all of that.

Thanks gtc.
At least I know for sure where my paternal grandmother is now, and she has a good excuse for ignoring me. I know the burial location for 3 of my grandparents (don't know where my maternal grandmother is buried). At least she is in spirit now. I had a very strong sense of her over a week ago, as if she is with me, near me and walking with me. I am at peace and I think she is too.

[rucksack]

Thank you rucksack.
Did you test with 23andme? What were your admixture percentages? I recall reading, probably in this thread or somewhere on the forum, that people from Finland would get European and Native American results from AncestryByDna. I remember you are Finnish.

Fairly typical Finnish results:
Me: 99.90 Euro .10 Asian
Mom: 99.74 Euro .26 Asian
Paternal cousin: 99.33 Euro .67 Asian

The BGA analysis that we speak of at dna-forums in the autosomal dna sub-forum has some more interesting results. 23andMe is quite conservative in their algorithm, you should check that sub-forum and if you're comfortable send your raw data for analysis to D. McDonald, his plot and analysis seems to fall somewhere in between the deCodeMe liberal and the 23andMe conservative. It seems much more accurate and realistic.

The Native American seems to be some very old segments that are a shared common ancestor to both Finns and Native Americans that probably lived somewhere in Siberia or a bit south of that.

[rainbow]

Fairly typical Finnish results:
Me: 99.90 Euro .10 Asian
Mom: 99.74 Euro .26 Asian
Paternal cousin: 99.33 Euro .67 Asian

The BGA analysis that we speak of at dna-forums in the autosomal dna sub-forum has some more interesting results. 23andMe is quite conservative in their algorithm, you should check that sub-forum and if you're comfortable send your raw data for analysis to D. McDonald, his plot and analysis seems to fall somewhere in between the deCodeMe liberal and the 23andMe conservative. It seems much more accurate and realistic.

The Native American seems to be some very old segments that are a shared common ancestor to both Finns and Native Americans that probably lived somewhere in Siberia or a bit south of that.

I thought your Asian score would be about 10%, at least. I will look around on 23andme when I get on a regular computer, maybe tomorrow.

[rucksack]

That 10% would be more like a deCodeMe result.

Like I mentioned, the McDonald BGA plot is much more "interesting".

Here is my report:

Without using the Mideast and South Asia as comparisons:
Note that the typical error is 1%.

Euro 90.2%
Oceania (e.g. New Guinea) 0.9%
America 2.4%
Africa 0
E. Asia 5.9%

Euro 86.3%
Mideast -1.8%
Pakistan 8%
Oceania 0.6%
America 2.1%
Africa -.1%
East Asia 4.4%

Euro 85.1%
Pakistan 7.7%
Oceania 0.6%
Amerindian 2.1%
Africa -0.4%
E. Asia 4.3%

Here is what it showed for my Mom:

Europe 92.0%
Oceania 0.9%
America 3.5%
Africa -0.1%
E. Asia 3.4%

Europe 85.9%
S. Asia 8.8%
Oceania 0.5%
America 3.1%
Africa -0.5%
E. Asia 1.9%

Europe 89.7%
Mideast -5.4%
S. Asia 9.8%
Oceania 0.5%
America 3.0%
Africa 0.1%
E. Asia 1.9%

Not very different from you. Except that the Mideast is is
even more negative for her than for you are other Finns,
and approaches (but does not reach) the Norwegian Saami I mentioned.
However, the Saami has a big positive E. Asian that the Finns don't.

Here is what it showed for my paternal cousin:

For each test person, specific comments may be added below.

Europe 88.3%
Oceania 0.5%
America 3.5%
Africa -0.2%
E. Asia 7.6%

Europe 83.2%
S. Asia 7.8%
Oceania 0.1%
America 3.1%
Africa -0.5%
E. Asia 6.1%

Europe 83.6%
Mideast -0.6%
S. Asia 8.0%
Oceania 0.1%
America 3.1%
Africa -0.5%
E. Asia 6.1%

Both of you are typical Finnish [he speaks of me and my cousin here] ... high E. Asian and American and low Mideast is typical
of Saami ... Your cousin is the highest E. Asian for a Finn I have seen ... Saami are
higher still by quite a bit.

[rainbow]

Extraordinary bad luck on the timing.

I hope you get an information breakthrough via your aunt, if not your father.

Best of luck with all of that.

I had left a private online message with the funeral home on Sunday or Monday (they give messages to the family) asking to be contacted by my family. No one has contacted me. My mom told me she called the funeral home Monday afternoon, the funeral director remembered my mom. The funeral home has a photo of my grandmother online. Some of the listed deceased have photos, some don't. They have archives going into the 1800s. Their online archives goes back to 2004. Anything before 2004 needs to be called about. I will call them to ask for a copy or email of their records and hope they have photos of my great-grandparents. I saw a photo of a man that may be my greatgrandfathers cousin (same last name)- he looks a lot like my grandmother-but browner.

[rainbow]

I called the funeral home yesterday - they don't have photos of my great grandparents.

[~Elizabeth~]

From other info in the obit I googled my aunt and found out she twitters. My metro pcs phone web access won't let me sign up for twitter, but I can read the notes.

Signed up for twitter to communicate with my paternal aunt. She blocked me.

[~Elizabeth~]

I have a couple more theories about how my paternal grandmother. What if her father was her father but what if he was a Native American that was adopted? There are no photos of him, or I have never seen a photo of him. He was an only child (his parents first child was a daughter but she died when she was a baby/small child). I read he had dark hair and eyes. Another possibility is that my great-grandfather adopted my grandmother and that her biological father was her fathers teenage cousin. I have seen a photo of the cousin and he looks very dark and Native American to me (my mom thinks its a farmers tan). And maybe that cousin was adopted? I know that compared to half-Cherokee Wilma Mankiller, my opinion is my grandmother could be at least half Native American. I also thought about my top DNATribes match to Syria, and that there must be something like that on my fathers side. My fathers mother belonged to the Order of the Eastern Star, but I googled it and it isn't an ethnic thing.

[~Elizabeth~]

I read about the OES online. I do feel it is evil. That could partly explain what I perceive as evil, a family/multi-generational curse. I agree with what read about it at realdeliverance.com. I have read a lot of obits from my grandmothers area. So many people in that area were in the OES (and worked for Deborah Hospital). Aside from my genetic heritage, I am also concerned about spiritual heritage. My opinion is that my paternal grandmother was a spiritual hypocrite. At least my maternal grandmother always told it like it is, no matter what. Both were horrible. But I admire my maternal grandmothers outspokenness, boldness and strong sense of self.
I think my paternal grandmother stopped communicating with me in 1998 because I was researching my paternal grandfather. She didn't want to discuss him at all. I have copies of his birth and death certificate. Cause of death was stricken from the record.

[gtc]

Cause of death was stricken from the record.

If you are interested in following up on that have you tried coroner's archives and local newspapers?

I had luck with the former. Case of death was not obliterated on the death certificate, it was simply recorded as "accidental drowning". The coroner's report spelled out that the old fella had fallen down a well on his farm.

[~Elizabeth~]

If you are interested in following up on that have you tried coroner's archives and local newspapers?

I had luck with the former. Case of death was not obliterated on the death certificate, it was simply recorded as "accidental drowning". The coroner's report spelled out that the old fella had fallen down a well on his farm.

There wasn't an autopsy or coroners report. Todays NJ medical examiner website says they investigate all violent deaths, but in only 6 of the 21 counties. Death occurred in 1949. In 2004 a relative of my paternal grandfather said if I wanted to know what happened to ask my grandmother because she was there. There are no newspaper articles or obituary.
Years ago my father told me he father was a passenger in a car, not wearing a seatbelt, and the driver (one of his older brothers) was swerving and my grandfather was knocked out of the car and was run over by another vehicle(s?) and he died.

[darroll]

Yes the old car doors used to come open.
My Mom fell out, then my buddy later.
No-one was hurt though.

[~Elizabeth~]

I think there should have been an autopsy but there wasn't. And if what my father said is true, I am surprised it wasn't in the local newspaper. Not even an obit.
I think autopsys were rare back then in the old days. I have death certificates of several of my ancestors-none had autopsies. Family story on my mothers side is that one of my greatgrandmothers went to the hospital for a gall bladder operation and it was successful, but a nurse told her to take a huge pill. She choked to death on that pill in the hospital. Her death certificate only says she died of a heart attack (cardiac arrest). But the truth was that she choked to death or she had the heart attack while choking.