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  • I used to watch a lot of youtube last year and the year before that. I would search for music videos and concert videos and Native American Indian videos. Most were PowWow dance videos and a few tribute videos. I even made a tribute videos that were collages of photos that I found online. One upbeat American Indian dance video that that was a favorite of mine, and I recommend it to anyone, is the Potato Dance. I had watched so many dance videos that it got boring, probably because of listening to the same monotonous music for so long. But I sure that can be said for polka, waltz, rock, folk music and disco. Most of the people in the videos looked bored or sad. I even saw two videos that had energetic Aztec fire dancers, yet the crowd hardly seemed enthused, especially at the indoor one. Most of the PowWow videos lack spirit and energy. But given the history of being treated so badly for hundreds of years I can understand that. The pain is palpable. Kawakshar, I will watch your links when I can.

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    • Pain? I don't think is pain. It is an attitude.
      If you go to the upper Andes to a Quechua Carnival you may see the same attitude of the crowd. A party with people in silent respect.
      They are enjoying the events, but don't have the laughing attitude of Africans, or the chaotic noise of Europeans produce in similar situations. Nope. The Indian character is usually more silent and relaxed. Perhaps similar to Japanese. That similarity even shows in music and in the way of following rituals.

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      • No, I see pain. There wasn't much of any silent respect for the visiting Aztec fire dancers at the indoor PowWow. Most of the audience were either in conversation or looking down and away. When the dancers finished, most of the audience (a US tribe) didn't even look at them and didn't even pause their conversation.
        rainbow
        FTDNA Customer
        Last edited by rainbow; 14 September 2009, 11:01 AM.

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        • There is silent respect shown by most people at most of the PowWows that I have seen on youtube. I notice that the western tribes seem to have more self-confidence and seem happier than those in the mid-west (who seem deflated and sad).

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          • I've only been to one Pow Wow; here in Bellingham, WA many years ago. It seemed like a big family reunion, with participants from all over but especially from the Pacific Northwest including British Columbia. Native American culture is alive and well in these parts!

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            • It call my attention that in the U.S. and Canada the Pow-wows are public.
              In my country, Chile, the equivalent ceremonies of the Mapuche are private, and they don't accept intruders on theirs celebrations... at least they are invited by them, of course. Perhaps the reason is that these last are religious ceremonies.

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              • I'm not certain, but I think the same applies in North America. I've been to several pow wows, and I must admit I have absolutely enjoyed each and every one. I have no doubt that there are parts that I've not been to because the leaders have a separate private religious ceremony or other sort of private gathering [for all of the First Nations people]. I actually assume that this must be the norm, not the exception. I do see a problem in "defining" who is in vs. who is out, but that is not a concern of an interested bystander.

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                • Listening to coasttocoastam again. They are talking about photos of Mars and they say it has structures on it that look artificially made. They have close-ups and they say the structures have MESOAMERICAN motifs.

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                  • Hello,

                    While we encourage lively debate on the forums, please keep posts related to genetic genealogy.

                    Darren Marin
                    Family Tree DNA

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                    • Hello Darren, I know you are right. My own personal genetic genealogy has come to a brick wall, so I don't have anything to report. I tend to feel that anything about Native Americans is somehow related to me at some point way back in time. DNATribes says that the Florida area saw a lot of gene flow. I live in Florida now and I am amazed that I live in an area that was a crossroads ages ago. On the topic of the MesoAmerican motifs on Mars last night (estimated to be about 20,000 years old) - they had a caller who said that the Mayans have a legend/story that there were three lost cities - one in the east, one in the north, and one in the heavens. Tonight on the same radio station they talked about radiocarbon, dental, and DNA tests on the found "starchild" - the mtDNA is human, but the YDNA - the father- isn't. It may be all connected somehow with last nights show. I thought it was interesting.

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                      • update: had 23andme test

                        I recently took the 23andme test (they classify any Native American ancestry as Asian ancestry).
                        My results came in earlier this month and they say I have zero Asian (zero Native American).

                        Three years ago, in 2006, I tested with DNAPrint and they said I am 83% European and 17% Native American.

                        DNATribes updates vary, but when I asked I was told by Lucas via email that my STR profile is consistent with approximately 1/4 Native American ancestry, with 1/4 to 1/8 Native American ancestry not excluded.


                        Elizabeth


                        p.s. A completely non-scientific method of mine was that I asked for feathers as a sign. And I have seen feathers galore. Mainly white feathers. After I got my results from 23andme, I stopped looking along my path for a feather on the ground, but have seen white feathers floating in the air at eye level. And one day recently (this month) saw a white dove walking around on the sidewalk I have to walk up on to work. It didn't fly away when I got near it.

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                        • After I passed the dove I wondered if it was okay. Was it's wings okay? I walked back towards it but was afraid to touch it or scare it. Then the local black cat (belongs to the lady walking her dog) ran at the dove and the dove flew up and to a bush.

                          It was great to see a dove close-up like that.

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                          • I am unsure about the statement that Asian DNA is Native American DNA. My father's A2 does not really match with Asian DNA. There are some overlapping polymorphisms, but it looks like Native American DNA not Asian. I would just assume 23andme does not have a large enough Native American database to claim NA DNA. I would think the result just states that you have zero Asian DNA. Until 23andme claims that it is or it is not NA DNA, the question is still open.

                            Originally posted by rainbow View Post
                            I recently took the 23andme test (they classify any Native American ancestry as Asian ancestry).
                            My results came in earlier this month and they say I have zero Asian (zero Native American).

                            Three years ago, in 2006, I tested with DNAPrint and they said I am 83% European and 17% Native American.

                            DNATribes updates vary, but when I asked I was told by Lucas via email that my STR profile is consistent with approximately 1/4 Native American ancestry, with 1/4 to 1/8 Native American ancestry not excluded.


                            Elizabeth


                            p.s. A completely non-scientific method of mine was that I asked for feathers as a sign. And I have seen feathers galore. Mainly white feathers. After I got my results from 23andme, I stopped looking along my path for a feather on the ground, but have seen white feathers floating in the air at eye level. And one day recently (this month) saw a white dove walking around on the sidewalk I have to walk up on to work. It didn't fly away when I got near it.

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                            • Hi Greg. Thanks for replying. They don't have a Native American database. But I read that Native Americans get Asian results. But I also read that people with Native American ancestry get a lower than expected, even no, Asia result.
                              elizabeth

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                              • Originally posted by rainbow View Post
                                This is a pic of my AncestryByDna triangle.

                                Searched for and found my triangle plot from earlier in this thread.

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