American Indian admixture in White Americans

[jan]

She has Issues because science has proven A, B, C D and some X to be Native MT-DNA. According to PF Science has it all wrong because her DNA does not show up the way science has classified Native DNA as you can see in this crazy post.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/bass/messages/5402.html

I was speaking to the Bass family off line. I posted some of their info here on African DNA for people who were intrested in Y-DNA Hg A and PF asked me for the link. When I gave it to her, you see what she did in her crazy post.

Purple flowers is real?

[Yaffa]

Purple flowers is real?

Yes

[darroll]

Pf is ok.

Just a little mixed up.

[rainbow]

Purple Flowers & Yaffa are both cool.
I enjoy their posts. And Tomcats, and Maria's, and .... well, I love this forum.

[Maria_W]

May have double decent from Potowomecke....

Is anyone any closer in finding their tribal connection?
My mothers connection to the Potowomecke tribe is not in question. I also suspected my fathers connection to the Potowomecke off of Wahangonoches other daughter Arroyah (Christian name Keziah) but couldn't totally prove it. I have found some new information that I emailed to Bill (Deyo) our tribal historian. Judah Elkins may be the 3 great grandaughter of Wahangonoche, last weroance of Pasapatanzy.....Waiting to hear back from him.. I have been friends with him for about 4 years.. He is such a sweetheart. His father and mine died about a month apart.. So I probably have a double line of inheritance.... :cool

Maria

[Yaffa]

Is anyone any closer in finding their tribal connection?
My mothers connection to the Potowomecke tribe is not in question. I also suspected my fathers connection to the Potowomecke off of Wahangonoches other daughter Arroyah (Christian name Keziah) but couldn't totally prove it. I have found some new information that I emailed to Bill (Deyo) our tribal historian. Judah Elkins may be the 3 great grandaughter of Wahangonoche, last weroance of Pasapatanzy.....Waiting to hear back from him.. I have been friends with him for about 4 years.. He is such a sweetheart. His father and mine died about a month apart.. So I probably have a double line of inheritance.... :cool

Maria

No Closer here. Cool that you may have found more paper trail!!! Can prove connections/relations to the Cherokee but "can not prove" that some of our direct line was Cherokee. Still no closer to answers in the Rio Grande on Indian ancestor. Male DNA lines that do not match surname, still no good matches.Still no confirmation on possible surname. No paper trail. Hope you have better luck. Do post if you find more good News

[Maria_W]

Forgot about this email...

This is a a duplication of an email from another decendent (Martin Waugh) of my 8th great grandfather Rev. John Waugh who married the grandaughter of Wahangonoche of the Potowomecke Tribe.

October 7, 2004

Dear Maria,

I want to thank you for your thorough correction of your incorrect wife. I have done research at the Library of Congress, Virginia Historical Society, and even went to his original (Overwharton) Parrish Church, where Rev. John Waugh was the first parson. The curent rector there said that his chruch historian had info that Rev. John has a mistress. Which I disbeleived. I went to that church historian house and he proved to me that the first two children were from that match that either the church or his father opposed, thus preventing the marriage that John Waugh wanted because she wasn't of suffcient birth or heritage. It would explain why he went on and used his parsons office to marry people for love, even getting in trouble for it. The fact that he was prevented from marrying his first love and mother of his first two children but rather had to put her aside, marry Elizabeth Madison, to get his first two children legitimized, but took care of his first mate....honorably, not by having more children but by providing for her would explain the rumor that still circulates in the parrish 350 years later, about him having a mistress.. What I would like to know is if it was the chruch that prevented his marriage, or his father. Rev. John Waugh b. 1630 was my 7th great grandfather. I am fascoinated by his life and especially his loves. As my 6th great grandfather was John Waugh, born 1660, and that could mean that I have distant Native ancestry blood. I do plan to get some genetic testing done in the future to confirm or deny this fact. If you have any info on why he wasn't allow to marry the first women, I would love to hear it. My phone number is... ... .... (private) and my email is listed above. Thanks again for your carefull research. Martin Waugh

This helps prove what I had been told about Rev. Waugh fathering children with the unamed daughter of Mary Ann (daughter of Wahangonoche, last weroance of the Pasaptanzy) and Henry Meese.

Maria

[Maria_W]

Not married...

Well it helps prove that he had a mistress (they weren't legally married)which we believe is the older daughter of Henry Meese and Mary Ann, daughter of Wahangonoche, last weroance of the Potowomecke tribe of Stafford Cty, Virginia....

Maria

[Yaffa]

Well it helps prove that he had a mistress (they weren't legally married)which we believe is the older daughter of Henry Meese and Mary Ann, daughter of Wahangonoche, last weroance of the Potowomecke tribe of Stafford Cty, Virginia....

Maria

Sounds like you need to locate a direct female ( if there is one ) of the mistress and get some MT-DNA! Mine the same thing. My Indian ancestor was not married with first man ( she considered him her husband ) because he was white. There is no marriage record. The White man died and she did marry using the white man's surname rather than her maiden name. She probably told the justice of the peace she lost her first marriage record even though there was no marriage.

[GregKiroKHR1bL1]

History Books

I was wondering why history books skip over American Indian government in the 19th century. It is more about assimulation, making reservations, and supporting industrailization.

The Mattaponi Indian Tribe is State recognized, and it continues to maintain its own Sovereign government. The Mattaponi Reservation presently encompasses only 150 acres and Pamunkey Indians now occupy a space smaller than 1,200 acres. The Mattaponi Indian Reservation was created from land long held by the Tribe by an act of the Virginia General Assembly in 1658. Being one of the oldest reservations in the country, the Tribe traces its history back to the Great Chief Powhatan, father of Pocahontas, who ruled most of Tidewater Virginia when Europeans arrived in 1607. Since the Assembly's designation of the Reservation in 1658, the Mattaponi Tribe has maintained its heritage and many of its customs despite strong pressures pushing toward assimilation with the mainstream culture.

[Yaffa]

I was wondering why history books skip over American Indian government in the 19th century. It is more about assimulation, making reservations, and supporting industrailization.

From what I understand no VA tribe is recognized by the federal government due to the fact that no treaties were made between the government and the VA tribes even though there are records that these tribes existed.

[Maria_W]

Not even state recognized...

Yaffa,

As far as I know there are no Federal tribes in Va. The Potowomecke tribe isn't even state recognized at the moment. We have been trying for along time to recieve it. We had noted anthropologist and author Helen Roundtree working with us but we parted ways over the fact that she was gathering information from the tribe and putting it into the books she was writing. She kept comming back and asking for more information. Plus orginal documents came up missing, not sure why they weren't copied so this wouldn't happen. We had to start all over again with new anthropologist, which set us back alot. Bill, the tribal historian told me that a big issue is that the government of Virginia ? wants us to sign an agreement with them that the Potowomecke tribe will never open a casino. The tribe is against gambling and probably would never do it but the tribe feels that the status of State recognition is being held from us because we won't agree to it....So we still are fighting it...And we may never get state... The process is grueling...I have the blood of my ancestors running through me and the government can't take that away no matter how they try to pretend we don't exist!!!!

Maria

[Yaffa]

Maria,

There are many people out there that will take info other people have researched and put it in a book for their gain. It's sad that some people do this even to the point of records going missing. I have heard other stories simular. It is very sad that no government will acknowledge any VA tribes. Especially the Powhatan. I think they should put a copyright on Pocahontas's name and charge a lot of money for the rights to use her name.

Don't you have to be a federal Tribe in order to have a Casino?

Yaffa

[Maria_W]

It appears you have to be federal...

Appears that way you have to be Federal. What he told me doesn't make any sense. I am going to send a email to Bill, our tribal historian and find out why he told me this...Maybe this was if we were granted state, I don't know why they are so concerned about it its going to take a million years if ever. Sorta putting the cart before the horse!

Maria

[Yaffa]

Appears that way you have to be Federal. What he told me doesn't make any sense. I am going to send a email to Bill, our tribal historian and find out why he told me this...Maybe this was if we were granted state, I don't know why they are so concerned about it its going to take a million years if ever. Sorta putting the cart before the horse!

Maria

I would think if you were only recognized by the state, the state would have the say so on a casino. If the tribe is federal the tribe becomes their own state/government and can then have a casino. That is the way I always understood how it works. Also if you are state recognized you still pay taxes. No federal recognized Indian tribe I know has to pay tax.