American Indian admixture in White Americans

[purple flowers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamasee

or some yamassee is a possibility too.
wars 1715 , captive wives. could makes a bit of sense.. but they orginaly spoke cherokee it says.. what is obviuos is that white's displacing indian. pushing them from their lands ... has lots to do with all of the confused tribes stuff.

[rainbow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamasee
or some yamassee is a possibility too.
wars 1715 , captive wives. could makes a bit of sense.. but they orginaly spoke cherokee it says.. what is obviuos is that white's displacing indian. pushing them from their lands ... has lots to do with all of the confused tribes stuff.

I never heard of the Yamassee before either.
It sounds like there was a lot of mixing. It said that the few remaining Yamassee assimilated into the Seminole. Maybe a lot of Native Americans are blended from different tribes/nations.

[rainbow]

so maybe you need to ask them if the 0.00
's are in any kind of order like
alphabetical , ascending, descending, or any kind of order.

The order is the top of the list are my highest scores, and the 0.00 are my non-matches.

My top score is 1.06 for Athabaskan (Alaska), and that is at the top of list.
I guess that would be descending order.

[purple flowers]

well but the question is still " are the 0's also in some kind of mystery descending order?" or are they just listed there because tested for or tested against them . but just listed random and that is all

[rainbow]

well but the question is still " are the 0's also in some kind of mystery descending order?" or are they just listed there because tested for or tested against them . but just listed random and that is all

I believe it's numerical order. The report just doesn't show any extra 0s than 0.00
All the reports are in numerical order, with the highest score at the top of the
list.

Surui could be 0.00000001, and the tribe on the line above it could be 0.00000002, but only 0.00 is shown.

edit: And on my extended report that has 826 populations in numerical order, Surui is the very last, at 826, at 0.00.

[purple flowers]

http://www.manataka.org/page18.html

"I believe all were Red Paint Clan of the Overhill Cherokee."

so other cherokee didn't have paint clan... just over hills adopted them.. hum.... this is strange but could make something make sense.
the red headed Benge was paint and the Peggy listed there could be from OllieNionee I think.I have been looking for at least two of my grandpa's sisters some are daughters of Ollie Nioneee, one named Peggy one named Taketeaski. Peggy or Takateasky may be Chuwahyuocah mother of KatieSPencer nee Pumpkin ( pumpkin another red head ). and katie walkingstick is a close relations to these. one of these two women are a twin of my grandfather.
so this one named peggy this sure could be her. it gives a list of her kids too. how great is that. one daughters name name is very close to Chuwahyoucah
this seems to indicate red paint clan was maybe only from the overhill cherokee. so they were adopted as wolf, but paint later callled paint clan, but still with-in wolf clan?.. it is very weird..

[purple flowers]

I emailed a historian of the Yuchi to get some ideas from them. he said
"The Red Paint (Maritime Archaic) culture was here more than three millennia ago, the Yuchi claim to have come into the Southeast with tobacco and corn agriculture something on the order of two millennia ago. Any connection is only conjecture. However, I would tend to think that the Red Paint people might have moved inland to become the Algonkin tribes that the Yuchi report were already here when they came; the Yuchi more likely came up through the Caribbean Islands from the South. However this deeper protohistory is still too fuzzy to bring into any sharp focus as yet."
anyway he seems to think I would have better luck checking into the Shaw in my chickSHAW.. isn't a chickshaw one of those things a chinese push around or pull around , like a taxi?
ok so I am back with "the red headed giants killed the black headed giants and the Cherokee /iroquois but I think Mohawk were involved , I think a group of tribes banded together to and spent many years trying to kill the red headed giants.. they succeeded but years later adopted some of the red headed giants".... then kind of unadapted them.
well actually, they killed lots of them off. we must have been bad people.. or "short people have no reason to live, they got little hands and little feet walk around going beep beep beep " either way the little ones didn't like the real big ones..


he also states
"many of these have mixed heritage with the Creeks, Shawnee and Delaware. A substantial component of the Seminole is Yuchi in origin. Today's tribal affiliations are really not highly correlated with preContact tribal heritage. The holocaust was much more disruptive to the cultures than has been popularly reported, and rather throughly churned the tribes."

I found this bit of info helpful.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-585

[rainbow]

http://www.manataka.org/page18.html


"I believe all were Red Paint Clan of the Overhill Cherokee."

so other cherokee didn't have paint clan... just over hills adopted them.. hum.... this is strange but could make something make sense.
the red headed Benge was paint and the Peggy listed there could be from OllieNionee I think.I have been looking for at least two of my grandpa's sisters some are daughters of Ollie Nioneee, one named Peggy one named Taketeaski. Peggy or Takateasky may be Chuwahyuocah mother of KatieSPencer nee Pumpkin ( pumpkin another red head ). and katie walkingstick is a close relations to these. one of these two women are a twin of my grandfather.
so this one named peggy this sure could be her. it gives a list of her kids too. how great is that. one daughters name name is very close to Chuwahyoucah
this seems to indicate red paint clan was maybe only from the overhill cherokee. so they were adopted as wolf, but paint later callled paint clan, but still with-in wolf clan?.. it is very weird..

I read the link and I'm glad it had a happy/romantic ending.

I had thought of pumpkin before I went online today.

Were these redheads from long ago red from paint or was it a nautral haircolor? If natural, then maybe it was a group of people from Europe that sailed/boated too far and got stranded in America?

Was Chief Kanagagota, Standing Turkey, the same Standing Turkey in the wax statues of the 3 Cherokees?

[rainbow]

I emailed a historian of the Yuchi to get some ideas from them. he said
"The Red Paint (Maritime Archaic) culture was here more than three millennia ago, the Yuchi claim to have come into the Southeast with tobacco and corn agriculture something on the order of two millennia ago. Any connection is only conjecture. However, I would tend to think that the Red Paint people might have moved inland to become the Algonkin tribes that the Yuchi report were already here when they came; the Yuchi more likely came up through the Caribbean Islands from the South. However this deeper protohistory is still too fuzzy to bring into any sharp focus as yet."
anyway he seems to think I would have better luck checking into the Shaw in my chickSHAW.. isn't a chickshaw one of those things a chinese push around or pull around , like a taxi?
ok so I am back with "the red headed giants killed the black headed giants and the Cherokee /iroquois but I think Mohawk were involved , I think a group of tribes banded together to and spent many years trying to kill the red headed giants.. they succeeded but years later adopted some of the red headed giants".... then kind of unadapted them.
well actually, they killed lots of them off. we must have been bad people.. or "short people have no reason to live, they got little hands and little feet walk around going beep beep beep " either way the little ones didn't like the real big ones..


he also states
"many of these have mixed heritage with the Creeks, Shawnee and Delaware. A substantial component of the Seminole is Yuchi in origin. Today's tribal affiliations are really not highly correlated with preContact tribal heritage. The holocaust was much more disruptive to the cultures than has been popularly reported, and rather throughly churned the tribes."

I found this bit of info helpful.
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/n...e.jsp?id=h-585

Whenever I hear chicksaw I always picture the oldfashioned man-pulled Chinese/Asian taxi. I tried googling it but I guess I don't know the correct spelling because I haven't found it yet, but I know what you meant.

It's awful that some Native Americans raided other Native Americans to sell to the Europeans to put into slavery. That also happened in Africa. I also think that it happened not just with enemies/war captives. I think it was also from family and neighbors and friends. Out of jealousy and betrayal. Just like what happened with Joseph in the bible, who was sold by his brothers.
Centuries ago in Europe, families would send (sell) their daughters off to the Arab/Muslim world and they were concubines in harems. But some of the European women had political power because they became the mothers of future sultans.

http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/e-h/harem.html

"A 17th-century grand vizier, himself a slave of the sultan, complained about the 'passle of mentally deficient slave girls, daughters of Russian, Polish, Hungarian and Frankish infidels' whose influence caused him such political grief. The resistance these women provoked serves, of course, as in index to their political power."

[tomcat]

Rickshaw is the term you are searching for, the term for a human-drawn two-wheeled carriage.

[purple flowers]

Rickshaw is the term you are searching for, the term for a human-drawn two-wheeled carriage.

OK thank you .. well it is kind of close to the same sounds..
well at least it wasn't that word she was saying..

[purple flowers]

here Rainbow is some interesting information about algonquins and red paint clans/maritime archaic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Paint_People

http://acqtc.com/Culture/WtpcqRootsFamilyTree

[purple flowers]

http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/paint.html

[kawashkar]

Someone way back said they suspected there was a lot of 'boring assimilation' in Indian / European relations. Well, come to Oklahoma, you will find out you are right. Alot of the white people here are happy to be indian, since the Cherokee nation (and other nations) provides free health clinics to anyone with an Indian card.

As for the history of the frontier days, there are many college courses being taught about this very subject nowdays. One trick I might use is to google around for syllabuses from these courses, then get the books from a library or used off amazon. Here is an example: http://tinyurl.com/5p6wnn

One book that I remember from the course I took was 'Into the American Woods: Negotiators on the Pennsylvania Frontier', by James Merrell. This is an entire book about traders, people who had a foot in both worlds and a unique perspective. Some of the books can get a little academic and hard to read but they will definitely provide insight into the era. The various relationships, removals, wars, alliances, cominglings, and so forth are so complicated, it is almost impossible to summarize what happened.

For example, this thread first post claims that 'whites and native americans' were the primary settlers...

Actually, it was me who asked the question the first time, looking for the assimilation of natives into the White people and culture. I am not much interested in the intermarriage that happened in the tribes with outsiders, either Europeans or Africans. What fascinates me is how many Amerindians assimilated directly into the White dominant group, since the 17th century.

It is well known in South America, form where I am and where I live, that many Indigenous people become Whites by intermarriage and assimilation. The richest families of the region all trace theirs genealogy to some famous intermarriages that happened at early days.

It is also well known that lot of Amerindian peoples renounced to theirs cultures and addopted European customs, integrating to society and sometimes getting wealthy and reaching the upper classes. It is also quite known that some Indigenous and mixed people denied theirs Indian ancestry as a method to be accepted to the mainstream.

For me, it is quite weird that the same assimilation is not clearly documented in the United States. Given the fact those intermarriages happens since the times of the pioneers and the fur trade, it is logically impossible there weren't Amerindians assimilated among the White peoples of the United States.

That was the reason for me to open this thread, and that question has been answered partially. However, the focus is still on the mixing in the tribes rather than in the European population of the United States. I bet Pocahontas descendents aren't the only case of Amerindians going mainstream.

[Yaffa]

Admixture

The Spanish kept much better records than the US. The term mulatto. In Spanish records it means you were mixed with African. Mezito mixed with Indian. However Im sure a very dark complected Indian could have been classified as mulatto. In the US it ment you were mixed with any combination that wasn't white European. My whole family is listed white on federal census but proven Indian and they are not white at all physically. In the South East before property tax, they used what is known as tithable tax. If you were a free person of color you had to pay extra tax for not being white. With that said, why would anyone want to have "record" of being a free person of color.Tithable Tax in a lot more detail. http://www.genfiles.com/legal/Tithables.htm

There was also many issues of Indian slavery during colonial time so why would people want go mainstream on record?