American Indian admixture in White Americans

[rainbow]

I just saw on page 8 & 9 of the Jesus & Mary tomb thread that a little bit is known of their mtdna sequences. The couple may or may not be Jesus & Mary, but they lived in Israel 2,000 years ago.

http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?p=60372#post60372

The mtdna of the person who may or may not be Jesus was most likely B4* or N1c.
And the person who may or may not have been Mary Madgalene (Mariamne) was most likely of mtdna L2a or A.

A & B are Native American. L is African. Don't know what N is. Probably mideastern.

[clintonplatt]

I'm an H1 also. H1 is found in 13-14% of all Europeans. It is 46% of the maternal lineages in Iberia.
My earliest known direct female ancestor was from Virginia. I believe my direct maternal line originated in Cornwall, England.

Famous Members of Haplogroup H

Marie Antoinette and her maternal ancestors back to Bertha von Putelendorf (died 1190) belonged to haplogroup H. If genealogical pedigrees are correct, maternal relatives such as Maria Theresa of Austria and Marie-Louise of Austria (second wife of Napoleon Bonaparte) would also have been haplogroup H.

Genetic studies on the remains of the Romanov family indicate that Tsarina Alexandra, the wife of the last Russian Tsar Nicholas II, belonged to haplogroup H. Thus, her children and all ancestors along her maternal line back to her last recorded ancestor, Blanca Nunez de Lara (born approximately 1317) belonged to haplogroup H. This would include Queen Victoria and her many relatives.

[clintonplatt]

Historical sources cite that Luke the Evangelist was born in Antioch (the Roman province of Syria) and died in Thebes (Greece) around 150 A.D. Lukes body was first buried in Constantinople, and was later transferred to Padua, Italy. Genetic analysis of remains believed to be those of Luke revealed he was a member of haplogroup H. Moreover the comparison with Syrian and Greek populations revealed that he was likely of Syrian origin.

Source: Genetree

Regards,
C

[rainbow]

Thanks ClintonPlatt for the H info

Blanca Nunez de Lara looks familiar. I think I've seen that name show up once in one of my zig-zag lines on my mothers side, but not direct maternal. I remember Lara. None of my ancestors came here from Spain or Portugal, but there was some intermarriage a long time ago in the British Isles.

Elizabeth

[darroll]

Hi Darroll,
I emailed them about the $15 that you had said before. Now I see you say over $600. I still don't see a genographic map that pinpoints England for H1.

I'm an H1 also. H1 is found in 13-14% of all Europeans. It is 46% of the maternal lineages in Iberia.
My earliest known direct female ancestor was from Virginia. I believe my direct maternal line originated in Cornwall, England.

In my FTDNA personal page, in mtdna ancestral origins, there are 42 other H1 people listed. They range from Iceland to Lebanon. Maybe you are referring to FTDNA and not National Genographic?
Or maybe Sorenson? http://www.smgf.org/

Elizabeth

Elizabeth,
I have a confession to make. I logged on to the National Geographic and looked/compared our H1 DNA (My Grandmother). Nothing matched..
I called FTDNA and I had the wrong password. I must of rolled a digit
with my fat fingers.
I double checked this time to make sure I had the right account number.
OK: Our highway leaves Africa and goes straight to Ireland. (NG map)
It has two smaller branches that goes to Spain and Italy.
It looks like to me that the H1's has a high rate for the Irish and low rates for
Spain and Italy.
My I1a on my side still shows Northern France.
This is still slick. This must be the surprise that FTDNA announced earlier.
Thanks, darroll

[purple flowers]

there not but they have had some mixing of east asian from way back in 1421 so thats where the east asian came from only is some tribe mostly on east coast and canada.

well I just read most of that 1421 site.... I do not know what to think about it.. are these chinese " sea people"?

because that is what I think we were once upon a time but pheonicians or tarshish or something like that maybe....I figured there was chinese here ... there is just to much chinese imagery in west coast tribes especailly.... (you said east coast tribes)...a just a couple I think.. ( there was a lot of pages ) but it is not likely mymtdna come from that side / china .. but mnaybe from the meditarian I think ... we seem more connected to that side and central asia, saami and berbers maybe .
this is some deep kind of things to think about, hum..
well I do know one thing.. and that is the treaties weren't made good. to avoid war, the USA and europians made treaties and if someone was there one day before them it was their land right ?.. it was not the new ones land .. they made treaties to stop wars and deaths and then never paid .

I(we from my family dad's side ) am still owed 460.oo x160+ years of interest. and that wasn't for swap of tribal lands GA for OK. but for the actual farm and orchards of my great great great grandma's farm before she was sent on the trail of tears . it was never paid. and what are the odds I/we ever get it..

but this chinese thing is just kinda of odd , I do not know what to think about it.
I still think that central asian males most likely got here somehow with central asian females... somehow ..
if you find anything else be sure to let me know ok. thanks for that site!
when I was talking about railroad workers. I was talking about china lake miners and other chinese railroad workers who came into IT , OK.

[msc_44]

well I just read most of that 1421 site.... I do not know what to think about it.. are these chinese " sea people"?

yes those are chinese that came to america in 1421 and they left there dna with some tribes like it show's on one of there maps and they left all kinds of stuff look at the maps you will see and they where explorers not sea people they where out on a voyages to discover the whole world and are you mormon because native american are not central asian. also 1421 is way before they brought chinese slave over to work the railroad which was in 1850 so that is a 429 year difference. also last but not least they were on the east coast and canada not west coast.

[purple flowers]

yes those are chinese that came to america in 1421 and they left there dna with some tribes like it show's on one of there maps and they left all kinds of stuff look at the maps you will see and they where explorers not sea people they where out on a voyages to discover the whole world and are you mormon because native american are not central asian. also 1421 is way before they brought chinese slave over to work the railroad which was in 1850 so that is a 429 year difference. also last but not least they were on the east coast and canada not west coast.

I am not mormon.. that is a religion.. I do not follow that relgion, well I think I will disagree with you about who they are! because they werent just one people and west coast has loads of chinese in their tribes too.

[kawashkar]

yes those are chinese that came to america in 1421 and they left there dna with some tribes like it show's on one of there maps and they left all kinds of stuff look at the maps you will see and they where explorers not sea people they where out on a voyages to discover the whole world and are you mormon because native american are not central asian. also 1421 is way before they brought chinese slave over to work the railroad which was in 1850 so that is a 429 year difference. also last but not least they were on the east coast and canada not west coast.

Sure.

I bet you also believe in Santa Claus and the monster of lake ness. And maybe in zombies as well.

No Chinese lived in California up to the times of cullie labour, I am afriad. It was the railroad and not the chinese junk what brought Chinese to the U.S.

1421 is baloney. And the book of mormon, too.

[kawashkar]

well I just read most of that 1421 site.... I do not know what to think about it.. are these chinese " sea people"?

Don't you see, purple flowers. You believes in "sea people" myths, force you to accept any wild idea that offer the market.

but this chinese thing is just kinda of odd , I do not know what to think about it.
I still think that central asian males most likely got here somehow with central asian females... somehow ..

Why more odd that your fantasies about sea people comming from Europe?
Besides, Chinese marry will locals in Latin America, because there they don't suffer the apparheid rules of the United States.

.. I was talking about china lake miners and other chinese railroad workers who came into IT , OK.

Of course. If you promoted hyperdiffusionist theories you will always be confussed.

Regards

[purple flowers]

Don't you see, purple flowers. You believes in "sea people" myths, force you to accept any wild idea that offer the market.



Why more odd that your fantasies about sea people comming from Europe?
Besides, Chinese marry will locals in Latin America, because there they don't suffer the apparheid rules of the United States.



Of course. If you promoted hyperdiffusionist theories you will always be confussed.

Regards

your bering theory and his we ended up with only eastern chinese..
for get it ... this sucks!

[msc_44]

Sure.

I bet you also believe in Santa Claus and the monster of lake ness. And maybe in zombies as well.

No Chinese lived in California up to the times of cullie labour, I am afriad. It was the railroad and not the chinese junk what brought Chinese to the U.S.

1421 is baloney. And the book of mormon, too.

hey kawashkar what are you taking about again I never said anything about chinese in california?

also I do not believe in Santa Claus the The Loch Ness Monster. And in zombies but zombies would be nice to get rid of people like you lol.

also you keep saying 1421 is baloney but where is your proof to say its not when there is plenty of proof on there site.

and last but not least I am not saying thats where the native americans came from they been here for ever im saying Chinese got here before columbus thats it.

[rainbow]

Here is a 1421 link: http://www.1421.tv/pages/evidence/co...EvidenceID=128

from the East Asian thread. (I look at both threads).

http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?p=61722#post61722

It says the first Europeans found Chinese jade, roses, ship dogs, hibiscus, and rice.

[Darren]

Hello Everyone

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[kawashkar]

your bering theory and his we ended up with only eastern chinese..
for get it ... this sucks!

Sorry, purple flowers, but the Bering theory is the only that stands. The only debate is they way they crossed: walking or canoing. Besides that, the rest is pretty clearly established. That's the way science works: crushing dreams.