American Indian admixture in White Americans

[darroll]

Rainbow,

National Geographic.
dc

[rainbow]

Rainbow,

National Geographic.
dc

I don't believe it.
Do you have a link for that NG site that told you Central England and Northern England for only $15?

I had my mtdna tested thru the genographic project for $107 or $108 dollars (99+tax), and I was only told my haplogroup, H.

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

The mtdna maps on their site do not pinpoint to a specific area such as Central England, etc.
I later had the H subclade test thru ftdna and was told I'm H1, but that still does not point to a specific area.

[darroll]

Rainbow,
Somewhere you have a password that they issue.
You log into the site below:

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

This will draw you a map of your early families migration.
We all start in Africa. It is where the journey ends that is important.
Every day the data base grows as they test peoples dna from all over the world.

Happy Friday, darroll

[rainbow]

I know that, but it doesn't pinpoint a small specific area such as Central England. Mtdna H is found in many places. In mitosearch, H is found in Iceland to Lebanon, etc.

[rainbow]

$15 is their current magazine subscription rate (special).
$15 is not enough to tell you the results of 2 dna tests and won't say Central England and northern England.

My family told me were Scotch. My Mothers side was unknown. There are all kinds of records on her side out there. They make no sense, so I quit where I could verify what I had was true.
I paid the $15.00 to NG. Thru their DNA data base,(huge) their map shows.
My Father: central England.
My grandmother northern England.
I have no DNA on my grandfather (Indian) on my Mothers side.
Thanks, darroll

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html

I clicked on that, then on 'genetic markers', then on mtdna H.
The atlas is free to read for everyone.

[kawashkar]

are Your Idea of native american east asians or central asians? because central asian/ meditarianian asian type men are classified as native americans and central asian women are classified as white.

you mean to tell me central asian men got here with out their women.. not likely!

Native Americans are more Central Asian than East Asian. Closer to the ancient Turks. However, it seems American Indians are a mixture of several Asian groups. Perhaps people like the Ainus of Japan (australoid), the Siberians, the Mongolians, the Turks and even some "caucasian" lost in East Asia (there were there tens of thousand of years ago).

What is curious, though, is that some genetecist have said American Indians descend of no more than 1.000 people, that was the original population that crossed the bridge.

[purple flowers]

Native Americans are more Central Asian than East Asian. Closer to the ancient Turks. However, it seems American Indians are a mixture of several Asian groups. (there were there tens of thousand of years ago).

What is curious, though, is that some genetecist have said American Indians descend of no more than 1.000 people, that was the original population that crossed the bridge.

so finally we can agree on a few things... we will never agree it was just or only land bridge... I am not buying because cherokee say they came from the rising sun and my tribe does too........ but yes I liked what you said about Perhaps people like the Ainus of Japan (australoid), the Siberians, the Mongolians, " yes I agree!
lets add polynesians and vikings etc .. there was lots of types that got here somehow , like anyone that lived from a boat that got blown off course . like you said "and even some "caucasian" lost in East Asia " maybe they weren't always caucasians...
I know the tribes say the vikings got here . so will have to stand with them of course.
on the 1000 people.... I think that is just math for whom they want to recognize to this date according to their current theories . that figure could change yet.
obviuosly they have a few things wrong.. central asian men/ med asian with no central asian/Med asian women, that makes no sense.

[clintonplatt]

The Journey of Man, Map

This might explain things a bit better:

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

Regards,
C

[kawashkar]

so finally we can agree on a few things... we will never agree it was just or only land bridge... I am not buying because cherokee say they came from the rising sun and my tribe does too........ but yes I liked what you said about Perhaps people like the Ainus of Japan (australoid), the Siberians, the Mongolians, " yes I agree!
lets add polynesians and vikings etc .....

Well, glad we agree in something. With respect to norse or polynesians, although is documented the first arrived in 1000 AC and the second may have landed at the same time, they were so few that they didn't have any demographic impact at all.

[darroll]

Rainbow,
I had all of the tests done, these were done by FTDNA.
I paid the $15.00 to NG. NG has to have the information sent
electronically by your testing facility to cut out errors.
My male line I1a was on a map that showed central England
when I logged in.
My female line H1 was also showing up as northern England when I logged in using MTDNA.
If you are having problems, I would contact the National Geographic.
I felt the information as clear as to be expected. No arguments here?
Thanks, darroll

Oh Vista won't let me quote you like I tried.

[rainbow]

Rainbow,
I had all of the tests done, these were done by FTDNA.
I paid the $15.00 to NG. NG has to have the information sent
electronically by your testing facility to cut out errors.
My male line I1a was on a map that showed central England
when I logged in.
My female line H1 was also showing up as northern England when I logged in using MTDNA.
If you are having problems, I would contact the National Geographic.
I felt the information as clear as to be expected. No arguments here?
Thanks, darroll

Oh Vista won't let me quote you like I tried.

My first test was thru the Genographic Project (FTDNA is the lab) and was $107 or $108, not $15. That was only for mtdna H. For the indepth subclade test to find out I was H1 I paid extra directly to FTDNA.
I don't know how you could have had indepth (subclade) ydna and mtdna tests done for only $15.
The public participation kit is $99.95 plus shipping and handling.
I logged in on NG again with my genographic project kit number and it still only says "H". Does not give a specific area at all for me.

[darroll]

Rainbow,
I won't even try and quote you as I'm having problems.
Ok:
My testing cost has probably been over $600.00.
I logged on to National Geographic again tonight.
Sense they are always upgrading their DNA samples My family's migration
path grew some. Our path grew from central England to the edge of France (it took a circular path).
This means our I1a haplogroup has spread out some.
It's like a road map. It's just that it got slightly longer. (the road).
I hope you understand what I'm trying to describe.
My mothers side stayed the same, Northern England.
This is why a few posts ago that I wanted an Indian to log on to NG and see if their DNA road went to Asia or Siberia.
Some day they will be able to give us a town.
After I saw my results I have been ready to take up a new hobby.
This is how confident that I am with this DNA testing. FTDNA showed that both lines were from England (not counting the migration path that they took to get there).Thanks, darroll
Oh: I think? you need the HVR2 test to get NG to work properly. (MTDNA)
We went from several hundred names to under 60 taking the HVR2 test.

[rainbow]

The Genographic Project Atlas that I see doesn't show where the subclades of H are.

[darroll]

Rainbow,
I would call NG and have a talk with them.
I'm ticked off with my results for I1a.
Got on National Geographic again.
They show my DNA trail going thru England and ending up in Northern France.
I do not want to be French. My/our DNA matched the Gravettian Culture.
Very early records showed that we were French. I stuck out my neck and said no.
You will be happy with your results when you get NG to work properly.
They only use DNA with no folk lore. d

[rainbow]

Hi Darroll,
I emailed them about the $15 that you had said before. Now I see you say over $600. I still don't see a genographic map that pinpoints England for H1.

I'm an H1 also. H1 is found in 13-14% of all Europeans. It is 46% of the maternal lineages in Iberia.
My earliest known direct female ancestor was from Virginia. I believe my direct maternal line originated in Cornwall, England.

In my FTDNA personal page, in mtdna ancestral origins, there are 42 other H1 people listed. They range from Iceland to Lebanon. Maybe you are referring to FTDNA and not National Genographic?
Or maybe Sorenson? http://www.smgf.org/

Elizabeth