American Indian admixture in White Americans

[kawashkar]

kawashkar did you even read anything or are you just ignorant and only believe what you want?

I don't "believe" 1421 is baloney. I know it is

[msc_44]

well good luck eating your baloney because those maps are real if you like it or not.

[purple flowers]

. Amerindians had quite a bit of genetical diversity of theirs own..

where did it come from ? it has to be the language problems because there is something you aren't getting here..

Before, here there were only Amerindians..

ok lets continue to talk in cirles.... or lets try this?
is that east asians or central asians, american indians?
because I am a central Asian native american . one of the most imfamous central asians lines .. and they are calling me White and or was that African this week .

[rainbow]

I'd like to know that too.
I read that they came from East Asians, and I read that they came from Siberians and Mongolians, and I read that they came from Central Asians. Which is it? Or is it all of those?
Someone from the company AncestryByDna told me that their Native American coincides with Central Asian. When I asked them if it could be Mongolian I was told no because their Mongolians are East Asians. I asked ABD about their Mongolian because I thought I might have some Hun/Mongolian ancestry because I'm 1/4 Slavic.

Off topic...someone just registered at about 2pm as Papa smurf! lol

where did it come from ? it has to be the language problems because there is something you aren't getting here..





ok lets continue to talk in cirles.... or lets try this?
is that east asians or central asians, american indians?
because I am a central Asian native american . one of the most imfamous central asians lines .. and they are calling me White and or was that African this week .

[darroll]

Ok, Lets solve this.
What happens when a REAL indian gets of the National Geographic web site?
Where do they show matches at?
Siberia, Asia or where-ever?
dc

[purple flowers]

I do not know darroll I am just a wannabeee remember. wiht this it is still about coding each group correctly or the figures are inncorect.

just some interesting tid bits to add to the confusion ..
http://www.biodiversityforum.com/sho...d.php5?t=35558 ok so which ones according to anthro's are supposed to be " native american" again.

http://www.biodiversityforum.com/showthread.php5?t=35523

and since the native americans come out at 40 to 25 % white.. maybe it isn't really "white"/ euro but maybe what has been classified as white or black even ?

http://www.biodiversityforum.com/showthread.php5?t=35523&page=5

and if they arranged the shooting star type triangle a bit differently.. what type of people would all those stars' tails cluster to or into? I think they are all ours! do you see it each color has it's tail, so what is the tails? many try and cluster together , those colors the ones not connected to the clusters .. all types ... those are ours here. so who/what are they anyway?
so many places seem to believe native americans are all east asians..

[kawashkar]

.... so many places seem to believe native americans are all east asians..

Perhaps in North America, because the flood of European immigrants and African slaves that arrived in the last three centuries, the few native Americans that remain are highly mixed with the alliens.

In South America, though, where there are Native nations that are highly pure, you see people that are undeniably Asians.

There is even a case I know of a Mapuche man (Chilean indigenous) that married Japanese and lives in Japan.... Where he don't call the atention at all. He just looks average Japanese.

[purple flowers]

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are Your Idea of native american east asians or central asians? because central asian/ meditarianian asian type men are classified as native americans and central asian women are classified as white.

you mean to tell me central asian men got here with out their women.. not likely!

[msc_44]

so many places seem to believe native americans are all east asians..

there not but they have had some mixing of east asian from way back in 1421 so thats where the east asian came from only is some tribe mostly on east coast and canada.

[rainbow]

I do not know darroll I am just a wannabeee remember. wiht this it is still about coding each group correctly or the figures are inncorect.

just some interesting tid bits to add to the confusion ..
http://www.biodiversityforum.com/sho...d.php5?t=35558 ok so which ones according to anthro's are supposed to be " native american" again.

http://www.biodiversityforum.com/showthread.php5?t=35523

and since the native americans come out at 40 to 25 % white.. maybe it isn't really "white"/ euro but maybe what has been classified as white or black even ?

http://www.biodiversityforum.com/showthread.php5?t=35523&page=5

and if they arranged the shooting star type triangle a bit differently.. what type of people would all those stars' tails cluster to or into? I think they are all ours! do you see it each color has it's tail, so what is the tails? many try and cluster together , those colors the ones not connected to the clusters .. all types ... those are ours here. so who/what are they anyway?
so many places seem to believe native americans are all east asians..

Thanks for the links. I've never seen that forum before.
Since Kawashkar responded to Pin & pinquin here I guess that is his username over there. There is a Pinquin from Chile.
Anyway, the second link has 5 pages or so and I read one post that said that Finns get 15% Amerindian but theirs is considered Uralic. So with my AncestryByDna test results, if I was adopted and didn't know anything but what I read from there I would think that maybe I'm 100% Finnish.
One grandparent was Slavic (Czech) and I could believe there is some ancient Uralic admixture, but he would have to have been about 68% Uralic, which I doubt he could have been, for me to have 17% because my other 3 grandparents were Americans of Northwestern European descent (mostly British Isles).

And over there someone named Polako said "Btw, apparently there was some technical problem with the Amerindian showing up in Eurpeans. They've now fixed it."

http://www.biodiversityforum.com/showthread.php5?t=35523&page=3

In another thread I said that if I was adopted and didn't know anything except my DNATribes result I would have taken up Portuguese by now and maybe moved to Brazil. My Europa top match is Portuguese, and I have several matches to Portugal and Brazil (and Azores). That was in the Euro 2.0 thread. People with British ancestry are getting Iberian matches.

[purple flowers]

Thanks for the links. I've never seen that forum before.
Since Kawashkar responded to Pin & pinquin here I guess that is his username over there. There is a Pinquin from Chile.
Anyway, the second link has 5 pages or so and I read one post that said that Finns get 15% Amerindian but theirs is considered Uralic. So with my AncestryByDna test results, if I was adopted and didn't know anything but what I read from there I would think that maybe I'm 100% Finnish.

And over there someone named Polako said "Btw, apparently there was some technical problem with the Amerindian showing up in Eurpeans. They've now fixed it."
http://www.biodiversityforum.com/sho...t=35523&page=3

I doubt, I do not know for sure but I DOUBT you are Finnish/ saami because that is all the issue here, most of those saami genes are central Asian mtdna too and I believe they have those groups plugged into the computers as "white" Europeans and not Asians.. so the Asian genes there are most likely the rest of the dutch NA slaves and children of north American Indian women who's white husbands took their children back to Europe with them. thus NA DNA would show only the fraction of native slaves captives / forced guests etc.....they are recognizing as native Americans here see. that seems mostly to be east Asians.. not central asia /Mediterranean Asian types .

[rainbow]

there not but they have had some mixing of east asian from way back in 1421 so thats where the east asian came from only is some tribe mostly on east coast and canada.

I would guess that the East Asian could be from the Chinese men that lived in the US and Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_American

http://cprr.org/Museum/Fusang.html

http://library.thinkquest.org/20619/Chinese.html

http://cprr.org/Museum/Chinese.html (i didn't read all of it, just googled it)

http://library.thinkquest.org/20619/Chinese.html

http://www.canadiana.org/citm/themes/pioneers/pioneers9_e.html#chinese

[rainbow]

I doubt, I do not know for sure but I DOUBT you are Finnish/ saami because that is all the issue here, most of those saami genes are central Asian mtdna too and I believe they have those groups plugged into the computers as "white" Europeans and not Asians.. so the Asian genes there are most likely the rest of the dutch NA slaves and children of north American Indian women who's white husbands took their children back to Europe with them. thus NA DNA would show only the fraction of native slaves captives / forced guests etc.....they are recognizing as native Americans here see. that seems mostly to be east Asians.. not central asia /Mediterranean Asian types .

I know I'm not Finnish. I was just joking. But my DNATribes BGA top world region match is Finno-Ugrian. So maybe...hmm...oh....i just realized...since Finns have 15% NA/Central Asian, then maybe that is why DNATribes matched me to that. The other DNATribes report, Europa, says my top match is to Portuguese.


Unless AncestryByDna was wrong with my results, then my 17% would have to be from my paternal grandmother. Her direct male line was Dutch (He came here in 1650 and I read somewhere that he did live in Brazil before moving to New Netherlands). I don't know the specific details of every generation going back hundreds of years on every line on her side. She told me her side was Dutch, English, German, French, and Scottish.

My mom has zero NA on her test, but has 5% East Asian. Her side is thoroughly researched/documented, except for one of my great great grandfathers on her side. He was originally from South Carolina and had moved to North Carolina. I was told by a distant cousin that the direct male line of that great great grandfather was from Alsace-Lorraine (my maternal grandmother told me "French-speaking Swiss"). I don't know anything else about that great great grandfathers lineage, except for his parents names.

And about my Czech paternal grandfather...that is the side I know the least about...and the scenario you mentioned, that white American men took their half Amerind children back to Europe with them, it is possible that happened on my Czech side, since I don't know enough about that side to say otherwise. And who knows, maybe that scenario happened with some of the Europeans/Dutch on my fathers mothers side too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_c...f_the_Americas

[darroll]

My family told me were Scotch. My Mothers side was unknown. There are all kinds of records on her side out there. They make no sense, so I quit where I could verify what I had was true.
I paid the $15.00 to NG. Thru their DNA data base,(huge) their map shows.
My Father: central England.
My grandmother northern England.
I have no DNA on my grandfather (Indian) on my Mothers side.
Thanks, darroll

[rainbow]

My family told me were Scotch. My Mothers side was unknown. There are all kinds of records on her side out there. They make no sense, so I quit where I could verify what I had was true.
I paid the $15.00 to NG. Thru their DNA data base,(huge) their map shows.
My Father: central England.
My grandmother northern England.
I have no DNA on my grandfather (Indian) on my Mothers side.
Thanks, darroll

What do you mean by NG?