American Indian admixture in White Americans

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Stellerr's Sea Cow

There was a huge relative of the Manatee in the Aleutian Islands area that would've been easy to hunt, compared to other sea mammals, and that was the now extinct Steller's Sea Cow.

[purple flowers]

I think is more realistic to think people crossed along the coast and in boats in certain parts.

A main problem with the coastal route from Bering to the southern tip of South America is that sunk since the early men arrived here. So, the more important piece of evidence of early people is underwater now. Still, some evidence has been found already, but anthropologists keep working in this fascinating topic.

With respect to polar bears, the migrants carried fire and spear throwers, among other weapons. Polar bears weren't a major opponent for hunters of those times at all.

HERE IS MY ISSUES AGAIN.

SO NOW WE YOU GOT THEM IN A BOAT AGAIN ..
THEN YOU COME BACK TO THEM NOT BEING MAIN LAND CHINESE. BUT SEA PEOPLE.. AND SEA PEOPLE CAN BE ANYONE AND COME FROM ANY DIRECTION AND CAN HAVE ANY DNA IN THE BOAT . AND HAVE VERY LITTLE CONNECTION TO THE LAND PEOPLE.
MY HUBBY SAW SOMETHING THAT SHOWED THAT THE " DREAM CATHERS" WERE ONCE PROBABLY NAVIGATION TOOLS OF THE SEA PEOPLE . THEY TIED THE STARS AND ISLANDS INTO THE STRINGS OF THE DREAM CATCHERS. THEN YOU MATCHES THE STARS AND THE KNOTS TO GET DIRECTIONS TO THE ISLANDS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT . SOMEHTING COOL AND PROBABLY LOST DUE TO THE FACT THAT MOST OF THE TRIBES HAVEN'T SEEN AN OCEAN IN THOUSAND OF YEARS.

[darroll]

I have two "dream catchers".
The shape kinda looks like a spider web. It could of been used for a compass????? or navigation aide.
Some brain should look into this.
No the Indians are not Chinese.
take care, darroll

[marvallen]

I don't recall anyone saying they were Chinese. They have been described as desendants of ancient east asians from which have sprung a number of modern asians "tribes".

[purple flowers]

I have two "dream catchers".
The shape kinda looks like a spider web. It could of been used for a compass????? or navigation aide.
Some brain should look into this.
No the Indians are not Chinese.
take care, darroll

OH YES THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE TOO ABOUT POSIDENS TRITON. WELL I GUESS SOMETHING BETWEEN A TALKING STICK AND A TRITON WAS ALSO USED . BUT IT WASN'T SQUARE ON TOP, BUT MORE LIKE A SAGUARRO CATUS, UNEVEN ON TOP ....BUT IT LINED UP WITH CERTAIN STARS.

[kawashkar]

HERE IS MY ISSUES AGAIN.

SO NOW WE YOU GOT THEM IN A BOAT AGAIN ..
THEN YOU COME BACK TO THEM NOT BEING MAIN LAND CHINESE.
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You don't need to use uppercases, anyways.

I never said Amerindians were Chinese, but East Asian people related to Siberians, Mongolians and perhaps Ainu. Not Chinese, Japanese or Korean.

BUT SEA PEOPLE.. AND SEA PEOPLE CAN BE ANYONE AND COME FROM ANY DIRECTION AND CAN HAVE ANY DNA IN THE BOAT . AND HAVE VERY LITTLE CONNECTION TO THE LAND PEOPLE.
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Don't be silly, please. Following the coastal lands by boat is not the same than crossing the Pacific. For that you need other kind of skills, people of 15.000 years ago didn't have. Amerindians become really good sailors just in the last 3.000 years or so.

MY HUBBY SAW SOMETHING THAT SHOWED THAT THE " DREAM CATHERS" WERE ONCE PROBABLY NAVIGATION TOOLS OF THE SEA PEOPLE . THEY TIED THE STARS AND ISLANDS INTO THE STRINGS OF THE DREAM CATCHERS. THEN YOU MATCHES THE STARS AND THE KNOTS TO GET DIRECTIONS TO THE ISLANDS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT . SOMEHTING COOL AND PROBABLY LOST DUE TO THE FACT THAT MOST OF THE TRIBES HAVEN'T SEEN AN OCEAN IN THOUSAND OF YEARS.

That may be possible, indeed. North America has many good nativigators in the Pacific and East coast. Caribbeans were also pretty good sailors, together with Mayans and the Manteno traders of Ecuador.

Polynesians still use today woden frames, that represent sea currents, and that are similar to dream catchers to navigate.

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Sorry Pinquin I have bad eyes can't type.
so the Titanic sank when it hit an iceberg. but wooden boats dont sink when they hit icebergs?anyone know the answer?
my point about the Chinese is they compare "native " dna to Chinese/Siberia if they didn't walk siberia straits why are they comparing that dna ? they compare that dna to confirm bering straits.. it is called circular reasoning.
thus Bering straits is chinese/siberia dna.
don't they got problems with 2 of the dna groups because they are not in Siberia . now they have 1/3 of that king of Sipans groups that isn't already understood to be Native. they will of course be comparing it to chinese /siberia dna right?

[kawashkar]

... now they have 1/3 of that king of Sipans groups that isn't already understood to be Native. they will of course be comparing it to chinese /siberia dna right?

Please, show me the studies were they say the Lord of Sipan wasn't an amerindian of Peru.

[El Jefe]

so the Titanic sank when it hit an iceberg. but wooden boats dont sink when they hit icebergs?anyone know the answer?

It all depends on a lot of things. The two biggest things are:

1. How fast is the boat going when it hits the iceberg?

2. How solidly is it constructed?

The force of impact goes up as the square of the speed. So, a boat going twice as fast gets hit 4 times as hard.

Titanic was capable of steaming at well over 20 knots. Most sail- or oar-powered vessels are limited by their length. Unless they ride up on top of the waves like a surfboard (and some custom racing yachts do that), they can't go much faster than about (speed) / (square root of length) = 1.34, where speed is in knots and length is in feet. So, for example, a 100-foot boat could go about 13.4 knots (13.4/10) = 1.34, and a 50-foot boat could go about 9.48 knots (9.48/7.07) = 1.34. Titanic was over 900 feet long, and was limited by the power of its engines (over 20,000 hp!) rather then its length.

Wooden boats can also be constructed to give when striking something, allowing the force of impact to be dissipated. And it's possible to build a huge steel ship to take an enormous impact, but that takes lots of steel reinforcement. Icebreakers are built this way.

And to make this all relevant to the discussion, almost any vessel built with the sort of technology we're discussing will be moving slowly, and will be able to maneuver away from most icebergs. The biggest hazard for early navigators would be getting trapped in ice as a lead freezes behind them. As the entire lead froze solid, the expansion of the ice would crush their vessel. It's possible to design a vessel to "pop up" and ride on top of the ice as this happens, but that's a relatively new technology.

I'm thinking that an early navigator would either lift his vessel out of the water and drag it across the ice (if it was small), or just abandon it and hike to the nearest land if not.

[purple flowers]

I'm thinking that an early navigator would either lift his vessel out of the water and drag it across the ice (if it was small), or just abandon it and hike to the nearest land if not.

thanks for the in sites! EL Jefe ( cool name)
so if you were in a boat back then would you avoid ICE?
I guess it would depend on what you were running away from I suppose.
I just suspect people found Hawaii because they just took off across there , maybe just close enough to some Icebergs to get fresh water.

[GregKiroKHR1bL1]

Totem Poles

I always thought there were many ways to keep history. There must have been reasons why people came to America.

Gobekli Tepe was found the first temples with totemic symbols.

[El Jefe]

Well, take a look at Eskimos and other northern peoples today. They avoid colliding with ice at any great speed, but often have no choice but to make "icefall" when they want to transition from water to "land". Gentle contact is just fine.

And regarding the lead-freezing-over problem, most of their watercraft are light enough that they can be slid up onto the ice. People adapt to their environment and use what technology they can develop to solve their problems. Eskimos used to be reindeer herders hundreds of years ago when the climate was warmer...when the little Ice Age hit, they adopted a lifestyle similar to what you see today.

And it's a long, loooong way from the Bering Strait to Hawaii. I seriously doubt anyone wandered from one place to the other just looking for water! Hawaii is so far from anywhere that it's a little bit of a wonder that anyone found it at all. But a lot of the Polynesian peoples were good navigators, and were able to find their way home after crossing quite a good bit of ocean.

[purple flowers]

Please, show me the studies were they say the Lord of Sipan wasn't an amerindian of Peru.

http://www.tiwanakuarcheo.net/curso_arqpreh/rec/4/BAK/SAA_Poster_Session_SICAN_populations.htm

PIN that isn't what I said! more than 1/3 of the group dna is "unknown" ! that is alot pinquin... that is on one area, one kingdom and only about a short time frame.
I still think rough seas will crush any boat if they follow the shore line.
but maybe someof them took a few hundred years getting across thereat a leisurely pace, they woudl have to have only boated on "Perfect days".
I know for sure
the first hawaiians found hawaii and then the polynesians found hawaii. they had to be traveling across there lots to stumble onto it.. because that is just a tiny place.

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Zuni ancestors from Japan?

I have an old paperback somewhere of a study of the Zunis that was trying to prove that some of the original ancestors of the Zuni came from California; and before that from Japan. As they migrated eastward to the Southwest, they accumulated other people from other ancestries. But this was study before the age of DNA analysis, and I've never heard anything since to show a Japanese connection.

Since the japanese Current is constantly delivering flotsam directly from Japanese waters, e.g. glass floats from fishing nets, it was hypothesized that perhaps living surviving humans may have arrived that way. Does anyone know if there has been DNA connections made between the Zuni and Japanese?

[purple flowers]

I always thought there were many ways to keep history. There must have been reasons why people came to America.

boy those carvings look so familar.. but where?
I sure wonder if it is Babel.. that could be a good reason to bury it.. and the clans divided by their totems symbols /animals in their care.
let see how tall those pillars turn out to be?