American Indian admixture in White Americans

[purple flowers]

[QUOTE=tomcat]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403...sc/fossil_feces

These Oregon cave coprolites date to 14KYA, not millions of years ago. And the DNA links the depositors to Siberia and nowhere else.

they got themselves some Chinese miners coprolites ..... current dating is already proved wrong so many many times . and it is proved so many many times that they turn their head to the inconsistency and falsity.. shall we re-visit the volcano again ?

[tomcat]

So Daroll's droppings are million year old Chinese deposits? Fascinating!

[purple flowers]

you see the time scale is so messed up.. I know what it really is.

but here is the point .
we have humans recorded in south america riding dino's that there is no way they could have known what they looked like if they are 1000000000000 years old... or the indians are 1000000000000000 years old..
we have legends of things that are being called extinct before mankind " evolved", one being the Mammoth.
my 4th grandpa had a Uktina shell.. this is some kind of sea dinosaurs shell or land dino that lived by the sea.
so either my 4th grandpa was alive 100000000000 years ago when Dino's' were alive and natives been here since time began because they were recorded on rocks and stones as riding dino's . and scientific years aren't really years but dots on a page and not representative of actual years.. but of historical events not understood ...
or Dino's and mammoths were in a more current age because Indians were riding them and the world is newer and they got lot of stuff wrong...
Science can't have it both ways. it just doesn't work that way!
mostly most all of the tribes know where they come from.. and no one is close yet... they got a few tribes covered but that is it.

[marvallen]

Just more IBS.....

[tomcat]

...if they are 1000000000000 years old... or the indians are 1000000000000000 years old...my 4th grandpa was alive 100000000000 years ago when Dino's' were alive...

This is one billion 1,000,000,000,000.
This is one trillion 1,000,000,000,000,000
This is one hundred million 100,000,000,000

[purple flowers]

This is one billion 1,000,000,000,000.
This is one trillion 1,000,000,000,000,000
This is one hundred million 100,000,000,000

I was just putting irrelavant 0's. so many who's gives a rip....

[purple flowers]

Just more IBS.....

OH YES NOW THAT IS A BRILLIANT ANSWER.

A NATIVE AMERICAN KNEW WHAT WHAT A DINO LOOKED LIKE ? YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN IT!
IS IT TOO HARD FOR YOU TO SAY YOU DO NOT KNOW!
gosh I was under the impresion that the pursuit of science required a open mind....

[darroll]

I ask again.
Where did they arrive at the idea? that man is only 60,000 years old.
Things are not adding up folks.
No wonder people are having a hard time figuring out their DNA test results.
They have to flit from company to company to get the answer they are looking for.
The old close= match, trick. Happy Monday. dc

[tomcat]

I was just putting irrelavant 0's. so many who's gives a rip....

I guess you are among those who don't give a rip.

[tomcat]

I was just putting irrelavant 0's. so many who's gives a rip....

It is hard to read for your readers. And, of course, the numbers don't make sense.

[clintonplatt]

I ask again.
Where did they arrive at the idea? that man is only 60,000 years old.
Things are not adding up folks.
No wonder people are having a hard time figuring out their DNA test results.
They have to flit from company to company to get the answer they are looking for.
The old close= match, trick. Happy Monday. dc

About 68,000 years from CR to R1b.

Supplementary figure 19. Last page of this paper:

http://www.genome.org/cgi/data/gr.7172008/DC1/1

Tree representing branches leading to haplogroups E1b1, I1, and R1b.
The root of the subtree and internal nodes whose ages have been estimated are labeled according to the text.
Numbers of mutations between nodes are indicated on the branches.
Branch lengths are proportional to the observed number of mutations.

"Supplementary Online Material for Karafet et al."

"Tatiana M. Karafet, Fernando L. Mendez, Monica B. Meilerman, Peter A. Underhill, Stephen L. Zegura, and Michael F. Hammer
New binary polymorphisms reshape and increase resolution of the human Y chromosomal haplogroup tree
Genome Res. Published April 2, 2008"

Mike Hammer is FTDNA's Chief Scientist, and member of the Scientific Advisory Board.

Regards,
C

[darroll]

Thanks for your answer..... C.......
Clear as mud to my "old mind".
What do you others think?
Tom should be able to explain this, he seems to know my bathroom habits and everything else.
darroll

[kawashkar]

you see the time scale is so messed up.. I know what it really is.

but here is the point .
we have humans recorded in south america riding dino's that there is no way they could have known what they looked like if they are 1000000000000 years old... or the indians are 1000000000000000 years old..
we have legends of things that are being called extinct before mankind " evolved", one being the Mammoth.
....
Science can't have it both ways. it just doesn't work that way!
mostly most all of the tribes know where they come from.. and no one is close yet... they got a few tribes covered but that is it.

You are confussing reality with foundational myths. The Mapuches of my country has legends as beatiful like you people has, but that doesn't mean that you could believe people get converted in dolphins when they fall into the ocean!

With respect to reality, what is known by science now is that Amerindians come from Siberia. Whether you like it or not, every single piece of evidence is pointing out in that direction. Including language, genetics and even cultural patterns like shamanism.

[msc_44]

With respect to reality, what is known by science now is that Amerindians come from Siberia. Whether you like it or not, every single piece of evidence is pointing out in that direction. Including language, genetics and even cultural patterns like shamanism.

please point out these theories you are talking about and shamanism is just a form of doctor and everyone has doctor it does not mean they are all the same people.

With respect to reality, what is known by science

also science is not all facts they are theories, so you should not listen to everything they put out there.

Including language

there languages are no where near the same at all thats like saying chinese is the same as english.

genetics

and there genetics are different too just because they have the same haplogroup does not make them any where related.

cultural patterns

show me any where that you see there cultural patterns are the same because there not.

[marvallen]

Facks ,Smacks. I don't need no damn Facts ! Facts just confuse me! I know what I know and don't need to know anything else!