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    Scrll down to near the bottom for a paper on when the first Native Americans colonized the Americas:

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/

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    • Originally posted by PDHOTLEN
      I saw in my book about Daniel Boone that there was a dissenting faction of the Cherokees that the white settlers called "Chickamaugas." They were opposed to selling there hunting grounds to the encroaching Whites. The main leader was Dragging Canoe, and was a very charismatic chief and sided with the British during the Revolution. He was the originator of the term "Dark and Bloody Ground" for Kentucky.

      U5b2 & R1a1
      is there something you needed to know about Dragging canoe?/
      Chulio concene/ chuconcene/ Savage Napoleon ? ( spelled many ways and many more names )

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      • Originally posted by PDHOTLEN
        Scrll down to near the bottom for a paper on when the first Native Americans colonized the Americas:

        http://dienekes.blogspot.com/



        three outside of the box , or " the other side".
        looks like the war is on.. Bering will win because it has built it's own box.. <LOL>


        http://www.scielo.br/pdf/gmb/v22n4/0929.pdf

        http://www.interciencia.org/v24_04/neves.pdf

        http://npg.nature.com/nature/journal...ture01816.html

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        • Excellent research, and there is more like it. Unfortunately, the evidence and conclusion it presents are politically incorrect, and therefore ignored by the "mainstream."

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          • Originally posted by lgmayka
            Excellent research, and there is more like it. Unfortunately, the evidence and conclusion it presents are politically incorrect, and therefore ignored by the "mainstream."
            well when I said bering built it's own box.. it has taken on alife of it's own and has beat he hell out of many times more evidence that it had to build it's own box with.
            the biggest problem I see is that not all of the concepts are correct yet and may never be.. yet what is it about white society that has a need to define everyone else... even god.
            I believe in dna..... it helped me narrow down were I had a few options. when it came to two options,one was was that grandma was choctaw or chickasaw.
            the other and what we had more evidence for was that grandma was chickasaw with some choctaw up close, but way back was cherokee..
            we did not get matches in MS or OK choctaw territory.. we got matches up north with people claiming to be tuscarora and cherokee and Irroquois .... with veryvery few claiming anything but indians... so before the choctaw she was chickasaw and before that she was cherokee... if there was something before that it was in south america most likely.

            so dna helped me on my terms... but still by trying to tell me that we were german because Hotlen thinks his grandmas is german this week . but he doesnt know who his grandma is.... that kind of "sceince" is really not needed and not very scientific and is very offensive actually .. I mean no offence to MR Hotlen ... but he does not know who his grandma is .
            when the rubber meets the road we found out what we wanted to know through the dna test.. and that was if grandma grandma's were cherokee or chickasaw back there ... the verdict was pretty clear.. no matches in MS means she was cherokee/irroquois/related or even some northern eastern tribe like maybe saponi back even farther.. way way back there... cherokee was not what we/I wanted it to be.. but it did fit and explains better some family history stories that were in bits and peices and no one knew what to believe. so to the cousin who said " we were always cherokee and were hidding in the choctaw " looks like you were right girls . darn hum?
            other than that they/sceince can not tell you what really happened 200 to 500 years ago. so I will not beleive any of it past that .
            Last edited by purple flowers; 12 March 2008, 10:47 AM.

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            • Another turn with the Standard Hypothesis:

              http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0001764
              Last edited by tomcat; 12 March 2008, 12:10 PM.

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              • Originally posted by purple flowers
                This link is broken. Do you have another?

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                • Originally posted by tomcat
                  This link is broken. Do you have another?
                  http://npg.nature.com/nature/journal...ture01816.html

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                  • Thank you!

                    Now that we've heard from the geneticists and morphologists, here's something from the linguists. Follow the link at the foot of the page to a site for the symposium at which this study was presented for a lot more detail!

                    http://www.adn.com/front/story/334139.html

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                    • Originally posted by tomcat
                      Thank you!

                      Now that we've heard from the geneticists and morphologists, here's something from the linguists. Follow the link at the foot of the page to a site for the symposium at which this study was presented for a lot more detail!

                      http://www.adn.com/front/story/334139.html
                      Very interesting! This is a major advance in the field of linguistics.

                      John

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                      • ok so if few of north america's indians have that language and totum poles that means all of america's native people came from siberia. that is a bad stretch. I am not saying bering-ish does have some validity in a few tribes.... but that is it. if you ask them they will tell you who they are that came that way.. problem is no one is asking other tribes who say they did not come that way.

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                        • And, if we accept the single Beringian migration hypothesis does this not suggest that the Beringians were ethnically diverse. And/or that the Beringian migration was more complex or protracted than the models that propose a relatively small group of transients that moved through the open door ahead after the door behind closed?

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                          • Originally posted by purple flowers
                            ok so if few of north america's indians have that language and totum poles that means all of america's native people came from siberia. that is a bad stretch. I am not saying bering-ish does have some validity in a few tribes.... but that is it. if you ask them they will tell you who they are that came that way.. problem is no one is asking other tribes who say they did not come that way.
                            Is there any Native belief other than the belief that their tribe arose here as Aboriginal Adams and Eves?

                            And are not the morphological studies you posted as much an affront to those beliefs as the genetic studies?

                            The morphologists have their paleo-Indian bones that yield no DNA, but evidence (for morphologists) significant differences from the bones of historic Indians. And the geneticists have their historic and near pre-historic DNA's that fall, overwhelming, within ABCDX, and industry-standard statistical models that allow them to assert a single, recent migration out of Beringia.

                            It's all good ... just that one doesn't quite agree with the other ...

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                            • Originally posted by tomcat
                              Is there any Native belief other than the belief that their tribe arose here as Aboriginal Adams and Eves?

                              And are not the morphological studies you posted as much an affront to those beliefs as the genetic studies?...
                              yes because they are digging around in people graves..
                              But as far as origins.
                              first not all tribes believe they came from here. mostly there are tribes if any one is listening who believe they got here many different ways... but no one is listening to the ones who are talking enough to make sense, and lots of them make sense! I have been posting cherokee origins legends. I have posted saponi origins legends.. and neither one says they came from bering side.
                              Last edited by purple flowers; 12 March 2008, 08:06 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by purple flowers
                                yes because they are digging around in people graves..
                                But as far as origins.
                                first not all tribes believe they came from here. mostly there are tribes if any one is listening who believe they got here many different ways... but no one is listening to the ones who are talking enough to make sense, and lots of them make sense! I have been posting cherokee origins legends. I have posted saponi origins legends.. and neither one says they came from bering side.
                                Do you have information about tribes whose origin legends support the morphological papers to which you posted links, confirming the hypothesis of cited morphologists that there was a paleo-Indian population that 'got here' (the Americas) long before the Siberians (who are the subject of DNA research)?

                                And what do your legends say about the fate of those Australasians who got here long before the Siberians? Did they succumb to Siberian diseases or did the Siberians simply kill all the men and take their women?

                                As to the grave-robbing ... Tut is way out-of-luck. ('Cept we could suppose he successfully made the transition).
                                Last edited by tomcat; 12 March 2008, 09:19 PM.

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