Atlas of the Human Journey Revised

[Kaiser]

Genographic's "Atlas of Human Journey" has been revised considerably. Several important haplogroups that had no mention earlier, have been included. The migration routes of some haplogroups have also undergone a revision. It seems the Genographic Project is learning as research continues. {I am glad that Y-Chromosome Haplogroups R*(M-207) and R2 (M-124, incorrectly mentioned as R-127 ) have been included.} Similarly, migration routes of several mtDNA haplogroups have been revised.

Check: https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/...hic/atlas.html

[GvdM]

Genographic's "Atlas of Human Journey" has been revised considerably. Several important haplogroups that had no mention earlier, have been included. The migration routes of some haplogroups have also undergone a revision. It seems the Genographic Project is learning as research continues. {I am glad that Y-Chromosome Haplogroups R*(M-207) and R2 (M-124, incorrectly mentioned as R-127 ) have been included.} Similarly, migration routes of several mtDNA haplogroups have been revised.

Check: https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/...hic/atlas.html

Thanks for posting this Kaiser. I will check it out.

[cacio]

I checked a couple of things - and they're still there. My own haplogroup L is still supposed to be 50% of southern India (it is more likely 15-20%, and it's actually more frequent in Pakistan). And it is said to represent the second wave of Indian occupation (after C), while that was more likely haplogroup H. Anyway, an improvement.

cacio

[Elistariel]

It's good to see H's map updated. I kept wondering how they could originate in France, and yet the (then) yellow arrow was nowhere near France. Now it makes sense.

[Eki]

It's good that they also added the subclade I1a with an arrow from France to Scandinavia. Now the route makes more sense. When I first received the result that I was of Hg I that originated from the Balkans, I was surprised, because none of the theories I had seen claimed Finland was populated from the Balkans.

[Stevo]

The Atlas still has some silly stuff in it. Too bad they haven't cleaned that up yet.

[Kaiser]

Mistakes in Atlas of the Human Journey

I suggest you point out the mistakes. Genographic is quite responsive, so far as I have experienced. Every bit helps, they say.

[Stevo]

I suggest you point out the mistakes. Genographic is quite responsive, so far as I have experienced. Every bit helps, they say.

I sent them an email awhile back about the claim that the Vikings descended from Y-Haplogroup I, as if all Vikings were exclusively members of that haplogroup. Certainly some of the Vikings were probably I1a and I1c, but probably many more of them were not.

The Atlas used to say that the Celts may have descended from Y-Haplogroup I, but they exchanged that absurdity for the equally silly assertion about the Vikings.

I think the claim that R1bs are descendants of Western European "Cro-Magnons" is without foundation, as well, but I haven't written them about that (yet).

My own somewhat cynical opinion is that claims about Vikings and Cro-Magnons are marketing tools, i.e., they are designed to sell kits.

[rainbow]

Thanks for posting about the update. I looked at it and saw my H haplogroup sweep up into Britain. I never noticed that before. Is that considered new? My ancestry is predominantly British, so that is the area I'm most interested in. Does that mean that H is the original British haplogroup?

[Andrew M]

I noticed a branch of M* pointed westward. It yellow line didn't quite squash the Matterhorn, but the direction it pointed seems to suggest that my wife and her southern european, non-Roma matches have been in the "meat" of Europe for a considerable amount of time.

I wish they would update some of the pictures, tough. Maybe they could put celebrity photos like Anderson Cooper for R1a, Katie Couric for K, Mat Laurer for J and Al Roker representing all of us E's. See http://www.isogg.org/famoushg.htm

[cacio]

Andrew:
there is a thread that has some posts discussing haplogroup M in Europe, it's called "Gypsy DNA".
I think the conclusion was that M1 is present in the Mediterranean and has for a while (eg it's 10% of Algerians); it probably moved north from Ethiopia, may be (my interpretation) with male-hap E3b. The other M's (like M5) are found in India and are more likely gypsy.
cacio

[Kaiser]

rainbow: Genographic Atlas update of mtDNA Haplogroup H is now more in line with the outstanding study of this lineage in "Disuniting Uniformity: A Pied Cladistic Canvas of mtDNA Haplogroup H in Eurasia" by Eva-Liis Loogva¨ et al, 2004:

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/msh209v1

[Andrew M]

Cacio,

I responded in the Gypsy DNA section. I was happy to find there are research papers about the group's impact (even if small) on Europe. If what you say about E3b's and M's is correct, then my wife and I make a pretty good historical match (if only the younger 2 mtDNA and 2 Y-DNA in our family can get along as famously...)!

[Eki]

What still bothers me is that the I1a arrow goes from Germany to eastern Sweden. I found a map of Northern Europe in about 7000 BC. It shows prominent archeological finds of human cultures of that time and possible migration routes. As you can see, most of Sweden and Finland were still under water back then. If the stone age people stayed in Scandinavia, I think it's more likely that I1a came from Denmark to Norway. I think it's possible that the Fosna and Hensbacka cultures in Norway were mostly I1a, the Maglemose culture in Germany, Denmark, Poland and England were mostly R1b and the Kunda culture in the Baltic countries was moslty N3. The Komsa culture in Northern Norway might have been mixed I1a and N:

[Stevo]

What still bothers me is that the I1a arrow goes from Germany to eastern Sweden. I found a map of Northern Europe in about 7000 BC. It shows prominent archeological finds of human cultures of that time and possible migration routes. As you can see, most of Sweden and Finland were still under water back then. If the stone age people stayed in Scandinavia, I think it's more likely that I1a came from Denmark to Norway. I think it's possible that the Fosna and Hensbacka cultures in Norway were mostly I1a, the Maglemose culture in Germany, Denmark, Poland and England were mostly R1b and the Kunda culture in the Baltic countries was moslty N3. The Komsa culture in Northern Norway might have been mixed I1a and N:

Southern Sweden wasn't under water, though, and neither was Norway.

I think I1a got to Scandinavia early, and that R1b may have only arrived in the Neolithic Period, perhaps as late as 2,000 B.C. or thereabouts.