Celts were haplogroup I?

[Stevo]

It is extremely unlikely the early Celts were primarily y-haplogroup I.

The homelands of the ancient Celts correspond almost exactly to the current distribution of R1b1c.

[jaynegen]

R1b1c in Norway

The homelands of the ancient Celts correspond almost exactly to the current distribution of R1b1c.

Maybe someone here can answer my R1b1c question. My dad's ydna came out R1b1c; we trace his paternal line back to about 1700 to Stange, Hedmark, Norway. Does this make sense?

[Stevo]

Maybe someone here can answer my R1b1c question. My dad's ydna came out R1b1c; we trace his paternal line back to about 1700 to Stange, Hedmark, Norway. Does this make sense?

It certainly does. Norway's three biggest y-haplogroups are R1b1c, R1a1 and I1a. Each of them runs at about a frequency of 30%, with the remaining 10% divided up among other haplogroups (like N3 and Q).

R1b1c is especially prevalent in SW Norway.

[jaynegen]

Thanks!

Thanks!

[Stevo]

Thanks!

Check out the y-dna map of Europe on page 2 here.

Your dad should order the U series test from FTDNA (it's only $39).

Do you have a YSearch ID number for your dad's haplotype? I'd like to take a look, if you wouldn't mind.

[Nagelfar]

Uh, I dunno, I'm very much like my zodiac sign and I'm very much like my haplogroup.There is some truth to it....some.

How are you 'like' your haplogroup? Are there personality traits written somewhere for each of the haplogroups that I didn't know of? ;-p ;-)

[jaynegen]

ysearch R1b1c

Check out the y-dna map of Europe on page 2 here.

Your dad should order the U series test from FTDNA (it's only $39).

Do you have a YSearch ID number for your dad's haplotype? I'd like to take a look, if you wouldn't mind.

Sorry Stevo, I got distracted for the past few weeks working on my Masters. Here's my dad's ysearch number. 79YQ2.

I'll look into the U series test. What will that do?

Thanks for all of your help!

[Stevo]

Sorry Stevo, I got distracted for the past few weeks working on my Masters. Here's my dad's ysearch number. 79YQ2.

I'll look into the U series test. What will that do?

Thanks for all of your help!

The U series will show whether your dad is R1b1c9 or 10.

Since some of his closest matches at 37 markers have 67-marker haplotypes and 492=13, and that seems to be a good indicator of R1b1c9, your dad could be U106+ and thus R1b1c9.

But there is no way to tell for sure without the test.

R1b1c9 is the most common form of R1b1c in the traditionally Germanic lands.

[Jambalaia32]

Celts I

The first few pages here has great coments! You say what I think

[Wena]

Rosser et al, 2000, Am J Hum Gen 67; 1526-1543, shows in Table 1 that Hg2 (Eu18-I) is found in 32% of Icelandic population and in 31% of the Saami population. I don't think thare are much Hg N among the Norwegian coast Saami population (Dupuy et al, 2006). I have read that Saami seamen were part of the expeditions of the so-called Viking. It is important to realize thet the Viking myths are of newer date. They were conciously used in the nation-building of the new nation Norway from 1814 (Constitution, separation from Denmark and joining Sweden) and from 1905 when we finally became independent.

That is unfair Stevo to throw people from the discussion because it is about the Saami and then continue to comment on Norwegian haplogroups (that not even are hg I) in the next posts.

This is a comment on the posts of Ravna, Native and Noaide.

The Saami have a high frequency of I1a, and the Skolt Saami have over 50 % of I1a. Can it be that hg I1a is related to Celts when it is so prevalent in the Nordic countries? I do not have enough information to answer that.

To Native:
The origin of haplogroup N is not Saami. And do not throw your own extremist attitudes at others. I agree with Noaide that your knowledge is very limited about Saami culture. You to read and learn more instead of following your prejudices.

Haplogroup N are not as frequent in the Norwegian Saami areas, because the men of the Kven people (coming from Russian areas) that brought this haplogroup to the Nordic areas immigrated here very late in history.

The Kvens are not Saami, they their own language and culture that is related to Finland and Russia. In some areas of Finland the frequency of N is extreme (e.g. eastern Finland) these men are not Saami and have never been. The Kvens immigrated to some Norwegian areas from 1500-1900, mostly between 1700-1850.

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[Wena]

not allowed to post the rest now

continues later abt I1a and Celts

[Wena]

[Wena]

The Norway

[Hansen]

etc. continuing post from Wena

The Norway

[Deirwha]

The Norway