*Poof* You're A Uyghur!

[Stevo]

Take a look at the Y-DNA world map here. Check out Central Asia and the pie chart labelled "UG" for Uyghurs. Note the high proportion of R1b.

Interesting.

Evidently the Kazaks and Kazars have some R1b, too, as well as a very high proprotion of R1a.

How did these folks get all that R1b?

M. O'Connor has a couple of 12/12 matches among the Uyghurs, too, and he is R1b1. I guess those Irish boys get around!

Anyway, this struck me as fascinating, so I thought I would start a thread about it. Maybe someone in the know can provide some insights on the Uyghurs and other Central Asian people.

(I don't know my own haplogroup yet, so there is no personal haplo-agenda in my starting this thread.)

BTW, I know a 12-marker match doesn't really make M. O'Connor a Uyghur. I just thought *Poof* You're A Uyghur would make a catchy name for this thread.

[M.O'Connor]

There is a lot of speculation. A lot of questions.

How about well known material called Tartan

http://www.albaplace.com/tartan.php

http://www.s-t.com/daily/05-96/05-14-96/1mummy.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/chinamum/taklamakan.html

[Stevo]

There is a lot of speculation. A lot of questions.

How about well known material called Tartan
http://www.albaplace.com/tartan.php

Thanks for posting that.

I hope you don't mind me using your name in vain for this thread.

Your mention of your Uyghur matches over in the Batch Calendar section caused me to start looking into the whole Central Asian connection. It has really fired my imagination, especially in connection with those links you posted on the Takla Makan mummies.

This forum can get pretty interesting at times.

[M.O'Connor]

No I don't mind Stevo.

I thought it was wierd that I have matches in the Uyghur area being an R1B1.

Though it is only 2 matches..a 12/12..and a 11/12 match.( out of 600 or so participants)

There is no denying that those mummies raised a lot of eyebrows.

There might be a connection to a group referred to as Tocharians.

http://www.oxuscom.com/eyawtkat.htm

[M.O'Connor]

The Tocharians are thought by some to be related to the Scythians who according to Irish lore..were asked to land in Northern Ireland, were told they could settle in Scotland. And it is there they became known as the Picts.

If it is so..then maybe some of the R1B 393=12 in Scotland/Ireland belongs to the Pictish People. A very broad question.

The Scythians were known horse riders, and some Pictish stones do have scenes of men with horses.

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/meigle/meiglestones/

[Stevo]

Here is an article on the Uyghurs. I am not ordinarily a big fan of Wikipedia, but the Uyghur article seems fairly balanced.

If one clicks on the picture at the top right he can see a larger version of it. I think one can clearly see the European element in the appearance of the Uyghurs. In fact, I used to have a girlfriend who looked something like the woman on the left!

It is probable that, genetically and culturally, modern Uyghurs descend from the nomadic tribes of Mongolia, from the Turkic subjects of the Mongols as well as from the many Indo-European-speaking groups who preceded them in the Tarim Basin oasis-cities. Today one can still see Uyghurs with light-coloured skin and hair.

[Stevo]

There is a lot of speculation. A lot of questions.

How about well known material called Tartan

http://www.albaplace.com/tartan.php

http://www.s-t.com/daily/05-96/05-14-96/1mummy.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/chinamum/taklamakan.html

Those Takla Makan mummies are pretty fascinating. I think you can tell that the woman in the third photo - the one who passed away at about 40 - was probably really good-looking in life.

It would be very revealing to have some kind of DNA analysis on them.

Thanks for bringing those articles to my attention and for posting links to them here.

[M.O'Connor]

It would be a fascinating place to visit.

http://www.uygurworld.com/_sgt/m7m3_1.htm

[Stevo]

It would be a fascinating place to visit.

http://www.uygurworld.com/_sgt/m7m3_1.htm

I agree.

There is some nice stuff at that web site. Did you check out the photos?

[M.O'Connor]

Yes I saw the photos. Cool

This site got me thinking about the 393=12, which is found in Scotland.

According to this site 393=12 is thought to be brought from the Soldiers the Romans planted at hadrian's Wall. The Sarmatians..who were thought to be related to the Scythians. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....dnareivers.htm

It is an interesting read.

I went to my Home-Page to see if I could contact my R1B1 matches in the Uyghur area. Unfortunately they are listed under
"Ethnic Background " There are no email address for them.

I clicked on Y-Matches and they didn't show up there, so I guess they didn't sign the release form

[M.O'Connor]

I don't know if any studies can be done to amount to any real conclusions. It is a heck of a journey though. I went from Canada to Ireland to the Uyghur area. I might have to take a few trips.

[Stevo]

Yes I saw the photos. Cool

This site got me thinking about the 393=12, which is found in Scotland.

According to this site 393=12 is thought to be brought from the Soldiers the Romans planted at hadrian's Wall. The Sarmatians..who were thought to be related to the Scythians. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....dnareivers.htm

It is an interesting read.

I went to my Home-Page to see if I could contact my R1B1 matches in the Uyghur area. Unfortunately they are listed under
"Ethnic Background " There are no email address for them.

I clicked on Y-Matches and they didn't show up there, so I guess they didn't sign the release form

From what I read on that Uyghur web site, it doesn't sound like there are a lot of home computers among those folks yet. It's too bad their data is not in the system, though.

That link you posted on the Tocharians was interesting. I had heard of them, but until today I didn't know of the connection between them, the Uyghurs, and the Takla Makan mummies.

I also had no idea about the high proportion of R1b among them.

That Sarmatian theory is starting to sound more and more plausible.

[Stevo]

I don't know if any studies can be done to amount to any real conclusions. It is a heck of a journey though. I went from Canada to Ireland to the Uyghur area. I might have to take a few trips.

Well, if you were in BC or the Yukon instead of PEI, you would be a lot closer.

A short kayak ride across the Bering Strait, catch a camel south, and - voila! - you're practically there!

Well, you might need some sled dogs for awhile before you hop on the camel.

[M.O'Connor]

I ain't kayaking in the ocean!...to many big things out there

(f I saw something big surface..I'd have to get my Kayak cleaned.)

Look half-way down this page for the fish they caught off PEI in 83.

Has she got a sister? http://new-brunswick.net/new-brunswi...reatwhite.html

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[M.O'Connor]

Well, if you were in BC or the Yukon instead of PEI, you would be a lot closer.

A short kayak ride across the Bering Strait, catch a camel south, and - voila! - you're practically there!

Well, you might need some sled dogs for awhile before you hop on the camel.

I can always stop the Dog-Sled once in a while and write a letter.

http://www.panlogic.net/yellowsnow/peeindex.html