Transfer from the National Geographic Genographic Project

[mmboy]

Hi,

How long it takes a transfer from the National Geographic Genographic Project results to show in Family Tree DNA?

I can't see the HVR1 MATCHES, mitochondrial Haplogroup or any other information as intended. It says that I have not purchased the upgrade to this level of testing...... why is that?

A bit disappointed..

Thanks,

Maria

[Otowner]

It takes a couple of months.

If you log into your account, go under My FTDNA, then you should see a square under your account information that says "Awaiting results, view your pending results". If you click on that square, it will take you to a page with the "Expected date" of your results.

That expected date for your results can change--if they're backlogged with testing, the date might be delayed by a couple of extra weeks.

[loobster]

A person I believe may be a relative mentioned in a Facebook Group, referring to himself, that "I had DNA sampling done through the National Geographic's genome project ..."

Would love to get his results entered here, and be able to see if they are any type of match to me and some other Kits I manage (and for YDNA, to a male 2nd Cousin). Which results would the transfer provide? And can I be sure he can transfer to FTDNA free of charge - or are either of these (transferring/which results) dependent on how long ago / which version he did?

What info do I need to provide him so he maybe will agree and will be able to succeed at the Transfer?

[lgmayka]

If you already have your National Geographic results, you should be able to transfer them into an FTDNA account very quickly (almost instantaneously?), and at no cost. Here is the transfer page.

But in order to make full use of Family Finder, you need to pay an additional $39.

[loobster]

Does National Geographic provide MtDNA, YDNA and FamilyFinder Results for a Male - and do they all transfer to FTDNA?

[lgmayka]

Does National Geographic provide MtDNA, YDNA and FamilyFinder Results for a Male - and do they all transfer to FTDNA?

Yes, but all are incomplete.

NG's mtDNA test results in a subhaplogroup designation, but is not equivalent to mtFullSequence.

NG's yDNA test results in a subhaplogroup designation, but is not equivalent to the Big Y, and may not even be equal to the most specific SNP pack. It also does not include Y-STRs ("markers").

NG's autosomal test can be transferred to Family Finder, but full access to FF features requires an additional $39.

[Armando]

The National Geographic has been a headache to a lot of people with too many false positives for the Y-DNA, the raw file can't be seen without a transfer, there have been transfer problems, FTDNA is taking forever to figure out where a person fits in their haplotree when the transfer is successful but has too many false positives, and so on. It really is best in the long run to order the tests separately with FTDNA. It could save you a lot of frustration.

[wombat]

On the plus side though, for a first time tester, Geno does offer the nicest presentation for Y and mtDNA haplogroups. Nice maps, lots of info, you can track things out step by step out of Africa. Nicely and clearly done, far better than what the other commercial testing services provide in that regard in terms of presentation and background information.

You also get a Neanderthal result.

Also FamilyFinder just tosses autosomal results at you and they show you nothing regarding how various contemporary reference populations test out and since there is no way to even look at detailed results for any matches you have to go through forums and track down a bunch of results to be able to begin to get an idea of what is going on with their test. Geno gives you all those contemporary reference population sample results.

Also, now maybe it is because they use a different chip and so it tests out a bit differently in which case ignore this, their maps for each of the autosomal components are different and appear to me to make more sense than the heatmaps FTDNA shows for each of the (seemingly) identical components.

If you are not going to just go straight out for say a BigY then the whole get a small STR test, then an extra SNP pack and then another SNP pack can cost more money to get the same result and without any nice presentation (although you might have some STR matches, for some that can be great, for some you apparently get basically zero matches and nothing much out of the STR stuff at all, depends where you are from, probably works best if you have lots of deep Colonial and/or English and/or German and/or perhaps Scandinavian roots? Maybe not so well if you are Baltic/Eastern European or outside of Europe?).

[Vortex]

I concur with Armando. I manage six genographic kits, three Geno 2.0 and three Geno 2.0+ respectively. And I can say with certainty that the latter not only yield multiple false positives but also mislabeled haplogroups. It wasn't until after four months that the Y-DNA haplogroups were correctly labeled, but still waiting for the mtDNA. Prior to that, it wasn't until 3 months (January 2016) after the initial results were posted (October 2015) that I was even able to transfer the raw data into FTDNA.

I will say, though, the autosomal results from Geno 2.0+ were much more refined that the former Geno 2.0; that was a plus. However, my focus here @ FTDNA is deep ancestry. Subsequently, Geno 2.0+ fell short in that regard. It's been a headache.

[steelblue]

If you already have your National Geographic results, you should be able to transfer them into an FTDNA account very quickly (almost instantaneously?), and at no cost. Here is the transfer page.

But in order to make full use of Family Finder, you need to pay an additional $39.

I tested with GEN2.0 and have transferred my results to FTDNA.
When I click to upgrade to family finder, it shows the price of $99, not your quoted $39.
I assume they have offers/deals on every so often perhaps?
Would you happen to have noticed when is a good time to buy if they do have offers?

[Armando]

I tested with GEN2.0 and have transferred my results to FTDNA.
When I click to upgrade to family finder, it shows the price of $99, not your quoted $39.
I assume they have offers/deals on every so often perhaps?
Would you happen to have noticed when is a good time to buy if they do have offers?

The link to the $39 Family Finder offer to people that have transferred from the Genographic Project is on the bottom left of your default page after you log in to your account.

[wombat]

I tested with GEN2.0 and have transferred my results to FTDNA.
When I click to upgrade to family finder, it shows the price of $99, not your quoted $39.
I assume they have offers/deals on every so often perhaps?
Would you happen to have noticed when is a good time to buy if they do have offers?

Did you test Geno 2.0 or Geno 2.0 NG?

Only the latter can do a full transfer (for $39). The former requires a full test from scratch. I think around Christmas they sometimes offer the full for $79 instead of $99.

[steelblue]

Sadly the reduced upgrade is only for GEN2.0NG users

The link to the $39 Family Finder offer to people that have transferred from the Genographic Project is on the bottom left of your default page after you log in to your account.

Thank you for your help with this.
After looking all over for the reduce price link, I contacted FTDNA directly to ask.
Hopefully, this will help others too


This was thier reply:

You participated in version 2.0 of the Genographic Project (as indicated by the first two letters of your GPID) and that version of the project did not test enough autosomal SNPs to be processed as a Family Finder test when you transfer to our system.

We're able to offer a Family Finder test to Genographic Project 2.0+ (sometimes called Next Generation) testers at a discounted rate, but not testers from older versions of the project.

Testers who are eligible for a discounted Family Finder has GPID's that start with 'XT'.

Transfer instructions click here