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  • wombat
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    Originally posted by arkham View Post
    I can't say that my reference population(s) were much of a surprise...or maybe they are...kind of.

    Through genealogical research, so far, I show up as >50% Norwegian and about 25% German, with some Swedish and English thrown in (and small amounts of some other northern/western European as well).

    My Geno2 reference populations...my percentages actually match exactly to the percentages for the German reference population, though Geno2 actually lists Danish first, which I find a little odd. However, with no Norwegian or Swedish reference population...those 2 would seem to be the most likely to be close matches.

    I'm a little surprised to have such a close match to the German population, though I wouldn't expect it to be radically different.

    As to how I look...well, I expect I look pretty northern European. (in the photo with me are my niece and nephew)

    http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...02EE7093A5.jpg
    Geno 2.0 doesn't list the two closest reference populations in order of closeness, you can easily see that for yourself, it just lists them alphabetically (granted you could easily see that too, but whatever).

    So it wasn't saying your mix looked closest to the Danish mix. It simply said Danish and German are the closest (and by inspection you can then see that German is a closer match than Danish). You have to read things carefully if you have every mixed ancestry though. If you are mostly from region you can often read, with care, a lot more into it than most people claim though, and sometimes get pretty specific.

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  • arkham
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    surprises...or not

    I can't say that my reference population(s) were much of a surprise...or maybe they are...kind of.

    Through genealogical research, so far, I show up as >50% Norwegian and about 25% German, with some Swedish and English thrown in (and small amounts of some other northern/western European as well).

    My Geno2 reference populations...my percentages actually match exactly to the percentages for the German reference population, though Geno2 actually lists Danish first, which I find a little odd. However, with no Norwegian or Swedish reference population...those 2 would seem to be the most likely to be close matches.

    I'm a little surprised to have such a close match to the German population, though I wouldn't expect it to be radically different.

    As to how I look...well, I expect I look pretty northern European. (in the photo with me are my niece and nephew)

    http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...02EE7093A5.jpg

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  • kattoo13
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    I would like to see Austin's original writings as well.

    As far as the other person's page, it could be up to their personal interpretation, or it may actually based on fact. It's not completely unfeasible, just because it's difficult to find information on the subject.

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  • Armando
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    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    That screenshot I posted was in some forum.
    That screenshot you posted looked like it was from a website because it had words in grey as if they were hyperlinks. Sure enough the exact same text is at http://www.statemaster.com/encyclope...he-Philippines with the hyperlinks. I think it is actually an older Wikipedia page. So the person that posted that screenshot in the forum got it from the Statemaster website, Wikipedia, or another site that had the exact same info.

    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    The person who write the article, is actually Filipino historian:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Craig
    Austin Craig wasn't the one that wrote the article. The article specifically states "The American Indians that were brought here, according to author Austin Craig, nearly numbered similar to the native population." What I would like to know is if Austin Craig knew that
    "The Tlaxcaltecs were originally a conglomeration of three distinct ethnic groups who spoke Nahuatl, Otomi, and Pinome. Eventually, the Nahuatl speakers became the dominant ethnic group.[1]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaxcaltec

    I also wonder if Austin Craig ever had access to an original document that stated which specific tribes the Native Mexicans were from and if not did Austin Craig actually state that they were Aztecs as opposed to Tlaxcaltecas. I say that because document doesn't quote him verbatim. So, I would like to see the original writings of Austin Craig as well as the original documents from Spain. They should be available at Portal de Archivos Españoles http://pares.mcu.es/ but I can't find any documents that mention expeditions to the Philippines in the the 16th century.

    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    However, no sources are cited. The person could just be writing things the way he interpreted them.

    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    Found this, too...(4th paragraph down):

    http://www.mapsofworld.com/languages...d/nahuatl.html
    That site doesn't even mention Tlaxcala (the place) or the Tlaxcaltec people but the Wikipedia entry on Nahuatl mentions both several times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahuatl

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  • kattoo13
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    Found this, too...(4th paragraph down):

    http://www.mapsofworld.com/languages...d/nahuatl.html

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  • kattoo13
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    That screenshot I posted was in some forum. The person who write the article, is actually Filipino historian:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Craig

    This is interesting...

    http://www.bitlanders.com/blogs/azte...ppines/1689955

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  • dna
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    Originally posted by Armando View Post
    Thanks. It says "The American Indians that were brought here.....most of them are of Nahuatl (Aztec) or Yaqui descent or are Mexican mestizos themselves."

    I wonder if the author understands that Tlaxcalans also spoke Nahuatl.

    Page 24 of Mexico in World History By William H. Beezley states "These expeditions often combined Spaniards with their Tlaxcalan allies, so that the people from what today is Mexico's smallest state left a cultural impact in northern Mexico, the southwestern United States, and the Phillipines - including Tlaxcalan loanwords in local languages"

    https://goo.gl/X730jY
    The printout appears to come from a Wikipedia. Currently English Wikipedia articles do not have that contents, so may be somebody noticed the same as you did...

    W. (Mr.)

    P.S.
    Or may be it is/was from here http://www.statemaster.com/encyclope...he-Philippines
    Last edited by dna; 18 May 2015, 11:31 PM.

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  • Armando
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    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    Armando,

    Screenshot of the article is attached..
    Thanks. It says "The American Indians that were brought here.....most of them are of Nahuatl (Aztec) or Yaqui descent or are Mexican mestizos themselves."

    I wonder if the author understands that Tlaxcalans also spoke Nahuatl.

    Page 24 of Mexico in World History By William H. Beezley states "These expeditions often combined Spaniards with their Tlaxcalan allies, so that the people from what today is Mexico's smallest state left a cultural impact in northern Mexico, the southwestern United States, and the Phillipines - including Tlaxcalan loanwords in local languages"

    https://goo.gl/X730jY

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  • kattoo13
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    Armando,

    Screenshot of the article is attached..
    Attached Files

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  • Armando
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    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    Yup...that's why I had posted that other thread about possibly having a percentage of NA. I can't tell you how many Native American people here (I live in New Mexico), think I am Native American. Especially at the last powwow I went to (pic attached). The Danish is from my dad's side, but he looks pretty asian in this pic.
    Looks can be deceiving but the DNA doesn't lie. Native American is actually a component of Geno 2.0 and since you don't have Native American at Geno 2.0 you don't have Native American in the past 7 generations. You shouldn't get more than 2% Native American at Gedmatch once you get your Family Finder results and upload them there. The look is due to coincidence from the mix of ancestors that you have and the mix that Native Americans have.


    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    I had read this interesting article that during the Spanish colonization of the Philippines, Spain brought 2 NA tribes to Luzon (area where my mom's, dad's family is from). The 2 tribes (Mexican) were the Aztecs and Yaqui Indians. They were said to equal the population of the Filipino locals.
    Do you have a link to the article? I was aware that Natives from Mexico assisted the Spanish but I thought it was Tlaxcaltecas (Tlaxcalans) and not the Aztecs that assisted the Spanish in the colonization of the Philippines. The Tlaxcaltecas, enemies of the Aztecs, were the main tribe that assisted the Spanish in the conquest of Mexico.


    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    Oh...here is the other link to my pic at powwow.
    The glasses hide your father's eyes but he looks very European to me in that pic. You look more Asian in that pic but could still pass for Latin American.

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  • kattoo13
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    Originally posted by dna View Post
    Have you considered the possibility that one of your parents or grandparents was adopted?

    W. (Mr.)
    Hmm...no. I always just chalked it up to being a mutt. If I hadn't told you my DNA results, where would you have guessed I was from?

    So, here are more pics. 1st one is my dad's mom. 2nd one is of her dad from Denmark and his wife from the Philippines. Last one is of my great grandfather's (paternal) mom from Denmark. Can't tell what they are mixed with...
    Attached Files

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  • dna
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    Have you considered the possibility that one of your parents or grandparents was adopted?

    W. (Mr.)

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  • kattoo13
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    Oh...here is the other link to my pic at powwow.
    Attached Files

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  • kattoo13
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    Originally posted by Armando View Post
    If you hadn't posted your results or told us where you were born I would have thought that you are Latin American. Since we are also basically a mix of European and Asian through our Native American ancestors we have some people that look like you.
    Yup...that's why I had posted that other thread about possibly having a percentage of NA. I can't tell you how many Native American people here (I live in New Mexico), think I am Native American. Especially at the last powwow I went to (pic attached). The Danish is from my dad's side, but he looks pretty asian in this pic.

    I had read this interesting article that during the Spanish colonization of the Philippines, Spain brought 2 NA tribes to Luzon (area where my mom's, dad's family is from). The 2 tribes (Mexican) were the Aztecs and Yaqui Indians. They were said to equal the population of the Filipino locals.

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  • Armando
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    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    Attached is a pic of me. Nobody can ever guess where I'm from...

    Northeast Asian - 40%
    Southeast Asian - 26%
    Mediterranean - 12%
    Northern European - 11%
    Southwest Asian - 5%
    Oceanian - 4%
    If you hadn't posted your results or told us where you were born I would have thought that you are Latin American. Since we are also basically a mix of European and Asian through our Native American ancestors we have some people that look like you.

    Originally posted by kattoo13 View Post
    The part that surprised me was more NE Asian, as opposed to SE Asian...
    The Japanese and Chinese get the highest amount of Northeast Asian according to the Geno 2.0 reference populations. https://genographic.nationalgeograph...e-populations/

    The full explanation of Northeast Asian and Southeast Asian is at https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/regions/

    Northeast Asian: This component is found at highest frequencies in the populations of northeast Asia—people from Japan, China and Mongolia in our reference populations. It is also found at lower frequencies in southeast Asia and India, where it likely arrived in the past 10,000 years with the expansion of rice farmers coming from further north. Interestingly, it is also found at a frequency of 5-10% in the Finns, likely introduced by the migrations of the Saami people from Siberia into Finland over the past 5,000 years.

    Southeast Asian: This component is found at highest frequencies in the populations of southeast Asia and India, particularly in the northeast Indian and Vietnamese populations in our reference set. It is also found at lower frequency in populations from Oceania, where it persists as a signal of the Austronesian migrations into the region beginning ~5,000 years ago—a migration that would eventually colonize Polynesia. Interestingly, it is also found in the population of Madagascar, brought there by the seafaring Austronesians around 2,000 years ago.

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