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  • My Results M343 (R1B) - Iran

    Hello, i got my genographic results yesterday and I was surprised to see that I was in the above HG, I was surprised because I am actually from Western Iran and thought of the above HG as quintessentially European. I have since heard of a number of other Iranians in this same HG. I know for a fact that my paternal line is native to Iran for at least 400 years.

    Can anybody derive any further useful information from picture? It was supplementary to my results and I don't know quite what to make of them.


  • #2
    Hi Bisotoon,

    I'm not a scientist but it seems to me your values are quite uncommon for a R1b. Welcome in the club of the bizarre haplotypes though (to whom I belong, too)...

    Francesco

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    • #3
      Small R1b clubs

      Originally posted by F.E.C.
      Hi Bisotoon,

      I'm not a scientist but it seems to me your values are quite uncommon for a R1b. Welcome in the club of the bizarre haplotypes though (to whom I belong, too)...

      Francesco
      As in the case of Francesco, I have a very unusual haplotype - I am off the R1b modal values on 15 of 37 markers. And both our paternal lines are Italian, his mainland and mine Sicilian. And to top it off, Francesco and I are members of a very exclusive club - Italian R1b's who have tested positive at EthnoAncestry for the newly discovered S21 SNP.

      In fact, only two Italian paternal lines have been tested for this new SNP and both are positive. This is the subject of an interesting posting about S21 and R1b on the Genealogy-DNA list, at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-02/1139789318 The posting by the president of EthnoAncestry speculates that S21 may represent those R1b's whose ancestors overwintered during the LGM in an Italian refugium, instead of the generally accepted Spanish refugium.

      Bisotoon, I would suggest you consider testing at EthnoAncestry for your haplogroup. There are great changes going on in the understanding of R1b and its distribution and history in Europe. A SNP test on your yDNA may contribute to bettering that understanding, as well as give you a better idea of your deep ancestry. The only reason I suggest you test at EthnoAncestry is that presently Family Tree DNA doesn't have deep clade testing for R1b and only EthnoAncestry is testing for the several newly discovered R1b SNPs.

      Mike Maddi

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      • #4
        Seems like R1b's descendants sure got around, hmm?

        Thanks for the info. It would be interesting to see a breakdown of other R1bs, for comparison.

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        • #5
          "Common" values for R1b?

          Originally posted by F.E.C.
          Hi Bisotoon,

          I'm not a scientist but it seems to me your values are quite uncommon for a R1b. Welcome in the club of the bizarre haplotypes though (to whom I belong, too)...

          Francesco
          What would you say about these values?

          R1b Haplogroup

          393 = 13
          390 = 24
          19 = 14
          391 = 11
          385a = 14
          385b = 14
          426 = 12
          388 = 12
          439 = 12
          389-1 = 13
          392 = 14
          389-2 = 30 - (Genographic Project gave this as 17; when results were transferred to mitosearch, it became 30.
          Can someone tell me why?

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          • #6
            (R1b)I meant ysearch

            Originally posted by Susannah
            What would you say about these values?

            R1b Haplogroup

            393 = 13
            390 = 24
            19 = 14
            391 = 11
            385a = 14
            385b = 14
            426 = 12
            388 = 12
            439 = 12
            389-1 = 13
            392 = 14
            389-2 = 30 - (Genographic Project gave this as 17; when results were transferred to mitosearch, it became 30.
            Can someone tell me why?
            I meant ysearch, of course. *Mine* went to mitosearch! (H).

            Another question: I saw on one individual's results a reported 16/29 at 389-2. Why two numbers here?
            Last edited by Susannah; 19 February 2006, 05:46 PM.

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            • #7
              Here are some numbers to compare. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....GenMarkers.htm


              I would look for an email "contact" on the familytreedna front page for an answer to that. Familytreedna does the testing for the Geno Program..

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              • #8
                Thanks for your help!

                Originally posted by M.O'Connor
                Here are some numbers to compare. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....GenMarkers.htm


                I would look for an email "contact" on the familytreedna front page for an answer to that. Familytreedna does the testing for the Geno Program..
                Thanks for the link. I just visited it and bookmarked it. Will certainly return.

                We bought our yDNA and mtdna kits through National Geographic's Genographic project, then transferred the results to FamilyTree, - then to ysearch and mitosearch. I wasn't sure who to email. I thought the Genographic Project initially sponsored the testing.

                Is all of this testing done by the same lab?
                Last edited by Susannah; 19 February 2006, 11:09 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Susannah
                  What would you say about these values?

                  R1b Haplogroup

                  393 = 13
                  390 = 24
                  19 = 14
                  391 = 11
                  385a = 14
                  385b = 14
                  426 = 12
                  388 = 12
                  439 = 12
                  389-1 = 13
                  392 = 14
                  389-2 = 30 - (Genographic Project gave this as 17; when results were transferred to mitosearch, it became 30.
                  Can someone tell me why?
                  I believe they add the original marker values for 389-1 and 389-2 to get the new value of 30 for 389-2...(13+17=30)

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                  • #10
                    Other variety of R1b

                    Hello Bisotoon,
                    There are two large groups of R1b referred to as ht15 and ht35. You seem more likely to fit into the ht35 version of R1b which is found more commonly in Turkey and Iraq rather than Western Europe. You have DYS393=12 which is indicative of ht35 rather than the ht15 version of R1b common in Western Europe. You can read about the differences at this link: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....g/YCC_R1b.html and I would also recommend subclade testing for your R1b at www.ethnoancestry.com

                    Your ancestors were probably in the group of R1b who spent the Last Glacial Maximum in the Asia Minor refugium rather than in Iberia. Also, I would suggest posting your results at www.ysearch.org to find matches. Your value for DYS389-2 should be entered as 28 (DYS389-1 + DYS389-2) to properly match FTDNA standards. I would also recommend expanding your testing to 37 markers as 12 alone is not going to be enough for genealogy. Good luck!

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