Etruscan DNA?

[Stevo]

some more news on the Etruscan DNA thing...

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-aeu052506.php

Interesting. So the researchers have concluded that the Etruscans were not the ancestors of the modern inhabitants of Tuscany, at least when it comes to mtDNA.

What about y-dna?

The picture is not complete without it.

[F.E.C.]

Interesting. So the researchers have concluded that the Etruscans were not the ancestors of the modern inhabitants of Tuscany, at least when it comes to mtDNA.

What about y-dna?

The picture is not complete without it.

I'm afraid they can't test Y-DNA with such old remains.

[MMaddi]

Interesting. So the researchers have concluded that the Etruscans were not the ancestors of the modern inhabitants of Tuscany, at least when it comes to mtDNA.

What about y-dna?

The picture is not complete without it.

Unfortunately, current technology is not able to extract usable yDNA from bodies found at archaelogical sites. For some reason, it degrades much more quickly than mtDNA. One explanation I've heard is that the mtDNA found in long dead corpses is much more plentiful than yDNA and so enough can be obtained for testing.

Maybe someday soon the technology will improve and lots of debates, on this board and elsewhere, about ancient populations and their haplogroups will be settled. But then again, some people can't be swayed from their beliefs by physical or any other evidence!

Mike

[F.E.C.]

Maybe someday soon the technology will improve and lots of debates, on this board and elsewhere, about ancient populations and their haplogroups will be settled. But then again, some people can't be swayed from their beliefs by physical or any other evidence!

Yes I've never quite understood some very widespread ideas.
IMO testing Y-DNA in old corpses may cause an helpful earthquake.

[Stevo]

Unfortunately, current technology is not able to extract usable yDNA from bodies found at archaelogical sites. For some reason, it degrades much more quickly than mtDNA. One explanation I've heard is that the mtDNA found in long dead corpses is much more plentiful than yDNA and so enough can be obtained for testing.

Maybe someday soon the technology will improve and lots of debates, on this board and elsewhere, about ancient populations and their haplogroups will be settled. But then again, some people can't be swayed from their beliefs by physical or any other evidence!

Mike

Ain't that the truth!

[Stevo]

I understand what you both had to say about y-dna from ancient corpses, Mike and Francesco.

Just the same, it seems to me that apart from y-dna it is impossible to say that the modern inhabitants of Tuscany are not the descendants of the Etruscans.

[M.O'Connor]

Maybe one day they will be able to tell more.

They found a Woman's grave in Rome.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197451,00.html

[argiedude]

(Stevo.. i will have to investigate that book)

Cacio:
I wasn't familiar with a Y group called H? So I went to the trusty chart

http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html

...and there you are!..way up there.

Y-H must be more ancient than the my R branch.

Do you feel any older than me?

(Heck I wasn't even a twinkle in the eye of Haplo P )

This graph is very nice, but it's scaled down and not very clear. Is there a link to the higher definition version of it?

[Victor]

Review these links:

(Page 5)

http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/nrg1124_fs.pdf

The latest revisions to the phylogenetic tree:

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNATreeTrunk.html

[M.O'Connor]

Great links...the first link will take a long time for me to understand.

Thanks.

[rsychev]

What Etruscan y-haplogroup? J2e1?

[F.E.C.]

Who knows? Maybe some of them were J2

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2338963,00.html

[M.O'Connor]

Hub of Etruscan civilisation found ??

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2338963,00.html

[cacio]

Sadly, not much is left. Pics of the excavations available at:

http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/09_Settembre/01/etruschi.shtml

(I don't know if this requires a subscription). The identification simply relies on the fact that the Fanum is believed to be near the city of Orvieto. No inscription was found.

cacio