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  • FTDNA Y-DNA Upgrades for Geno 2.0

    Does anyone know which, if any, of the FTDNA y-dna upgrades recently announced on sale can be applied to Geno 2.0 results?

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    I think you have to submit a separate sample for FT tests even if you have done Geno 2. (I had to, anyway.) Big Y will extend your SNP results beyond whatever was determined by Geno 2. How far down the tree you get will be determined by what SNPs you have that match someone else's. Any SNPs that you alone have are your "private SNPs." SNPs that you share with other people will either place you at a known position on the tree or define a new "terminal" SNP. The admins of the U106 group are quite good at analyzing Big Y results and comparing different peoples' results to see how far down the tree is defined. I would guess the same is true of the admins for other haplogroups. You should join the relevant haplogroup project if you haven't already.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by wcrisler View Post
      Does anyone know which, if any, of the FTDNA y-dna upgrades recently announced on sale can be applied to Geno 2.0 results?
      Any of them, but you first have to transfer your Geno 2.0 results into a new or existing FTDNA account. The transfer procedure may talk about a "shipping address" and "shipping charges," but there is actually no shipment and no charge.

      Once the transfer is complete, you should be able to order new tests on your Geno 2.0 DNA samples. FTDNA's web site may charge you a shipping cost, but there will be no actual shipment--you will have to call or write FTDNA to get a refund of the shipping charge. In fact, it's probably easier to place the order by phone, so that the FTDNA employee can manually prevent any shipping charge.
      Last edited by lgmayka; 30th August 2014, 05:47 AM.

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      • #4
        I have a FTDNA account. I just wanted to know which upgrade applies to Geno 2.0, if at all. Is Geno 2.0 equivalent to Y-111 or less? For example, can I order the Y-12 to Y-(x)? The Y-37? 67? Or does the upgrade not apply at all to Geno 2.0 results? Thanks!

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        • #5
          The Y-DNA12 through Y-DNA111 are STR tests. You can use the results in conjunction with your Geno 2.0 Y-DNA SNP results to determine if you have a recent common ancestor with other people if the other people have also had a Geno 2.0 test, a deep clade test, or individual SNP testing.

          An example where a person matched a group of people on STRs but the Y-DNA SNP results showed they don't share a recent common ancestor can be seen at http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=35737

          If you are interested in finding others that match you then you should get a Y-DNA37 or Y-DNA67 test with the latter being better.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wcrisler View Post
            I have a FTDNA account. I just wanted to know which upgrade applies to Geno 2.0, if at all. Is Geno 2.0 equivalent to Y-111 or less? For example, can I order the Y-12 to Y-(x)? The Y-37? 67?
            Simply log into your FTDNA account, and click on "Upgrade" in the upper right corner.

            By itself, Geno 2.0 does not include any Y-STRs (markers). During the current sale, I suggest either Y-DNA67, or (if you can afford $495) the Big Y.

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            • #7
              I wouldn't invest in Big Y until you've received y-STR results because Big Y is for SNPs only, and you already have some advanced SNP results from Geno. You need y-STR results; based on those, haplogroup project administrators may be able to guide you to targeted SNP testing.

              For the current sale, the y-67 has the greatest percentage discount off the regular price, but the 37 and 111 are only a few percentage points away.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Armando View Post
                The Y-DNA12 through Y-DNA111 are STR tests. You can use the results in conjunction with your Geno 2.0 Y-DNA SNP results to determine if you have a recent common ancestor with other people if the other people have also had a Geno 2.0 test, a deep clade test, or individual SNP testing.

                An example where a person matched a group of people on STRs but the Y-DNA SNP results showed they don't share a recent common ancestor can be seen at http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=35737

                If you are interested in finding others that match you then you should get a Y-DNA37 or Y-DNA67 test with the latter being better.
                I do not see any SNP results in the natgeno site. All i have is a marker and migrational page , SNP for me for positive and negative I cannot find

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bartot View Post
                  I do not see any SNP results in the natgeno site. All i have is a marker and migrational page , SNP for me for positive and negative I cannot find
                  Your Geno yDNA haplogroup designation is your most downstream positive SNP for the SNPs tested by Geno. You can download all your SNP results, and if you transfer your results to your FTDNA account, all your positive SNPs will be displayed on your haplotree page along with any FTDNA-tested SNP results, both positive and negative.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bartot View Post
                    I do not see any SNP results in the natgeno site.
                    You need to transfer your Geno 2.0 results into a new or existing FTDNA account.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bartot View Post
                      I do not see any SNP results in the natgeno site. All i have is a marker and migrational page , SNP for me for positive and negative I cannot find
                      The Nat Geno 2.0 site will only provide your terminal SNP which is what they consider to be the most downstream marker that you tested positive for. If you download the raw data you can see all of the 12,052 SNP markers you were tested for and the alleles that you have. If there are certain ones you want to know what the result is you can go to http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index.html and compare your result with the mutation that makes the marker positive.

                      Since you have already transferred your Geno 2.0 results per one of your previous posts http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?p=389470 you already know which markers you tested positive for at Geno 2.0. When you log into your FTDNA account and go to https://my.familytreedna.com/y-dna-haplotree/ the ones in green are the ones you tested positive for at Geno 2.0 plus any others you tested individually or with the Deep Clade test.
                      Last edited by Armando; 30th August 2014, 10:22 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vinnie View Post
                        Your Geno yDNA haplogroup designation is your most downstream positive SNP for the SNPs tested by Geno. You can download all your SNP results, and if you transfer your results to your FTDNA account, all your positive SNPs will be displayed on your haplotree page along with any FTDNA-tested SNP results, both positive and negative.
                        They were posting the negative markers for a while starting April 29, I think, and then the stopped a few months later. It is frustrating that they stopped doing it but they said they are working on something to get the negative results pertinent to the person's haplogroup posted.

                        He had already transferred his results. http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?p=389470

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Armando View Post
                          They were posting the negative markers for a while starting April 29, I think, and then the stopped a few months later. It is frustrating that they stopped doing it but they said they are working on something to get the negative results pertinent to the person's haplogroup posted.]
                          My haplotree page shows a mix of pertinent FTDNA-tested and Geno-tested negative SNPs.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bartot View Post
                            I do not see any SNP results in the natgeno site. All i have is a marker and migrational page , SNP for me for positive and negative I cannot find
                            Did you have the Original Geno test or the Geno 2.0 test? The original tested either mtDNA or Y-DNA STR only.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Armando View Post
                              They were posting the negative markers for a while starting April 29, I think, and then the stopped a few months later. It is frustrating that they stopped doing it but they said they are working on something to get the negative results pertinent to the person's haplogroup posted.

                              He had already transferred his results. http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?p=389470
                              Originally posted by vinnie View Post
                              My haplotree page shows a mix of pertinent FTDNA-tested and Geno-tested negative SNPs.
                              When did you get the Geno 2.0 test? If you had the test more than a few months ago that is why your negative Geno 2.0 results are showing up.

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