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The Peloponnesian War and it's H1 R1b R1b3 R-M269 Legacy
Could The Sicani be related to The Aurignacian Culture - found in Iberia near the river Sicanus in Spain?
If so, Hg1 R1b R1b3 R-M269 members from Sicily - could well be related to earliest settlers The Sicani. This in a sense makes us native to the island. We could very well be native Sicilians - Pre-Historic natives.
"The Sicaneans were reputed to be the first inhabitants of Sicily,
they built little Villages or Towns upon hills, and every Town had
its own King; and by this means they spread over the country,
before they formed themselves into larger governments with a
common King: Philistus [216] saith that they were transplanted
into Sicily from the River Sicanus in Spain; and Dionysius [217],
that they were a Spanish people who fled from the Ligures in Italy;
he means the Ligures [218] who opposed Hercules when he
returned from his expedition against Geryon in Spain, and
endeavoured to pass the Alps out of Gaul into Italy. Hercules that
year got into Italy, and made some conquests there, and founded
the city Croton; and [219] after winter, upon the arrival of his fleet
from Erythra in Spain, sailed to Sicily, and there left the Sicani: for
it was his custom to recruit his army with conquered people, and
after they had assisted him in making new conquests to reward
them with new seats: this was the Egyptian Hercules, who had a
potent fleet, and in the days of Solomon sailed to the Straits, and
according to his custom set up pillars there, and conquered
Geryon, and returned back by Italy and Sicily to Egypt, and was by
the ancient Gauls called Ogmius, and by Egyptians [220] Nilus: for
Erythra and the country of Geryon were without the Straits.
Dionysius [221] represents this Hercules contemporary to
Evander."
.... The Sicanians appear to have been the next settlers, although
they pretend to have been the first of all and aborigines; but the
facts show that they were Iberians, driven by the Ligurians from
the river Sicanus in Iberia. It was from them that the island, before
called Trinacria, took its name of Sicania, and to the present day
they inhabit the west of Sicily....
THUCYDIDES, HISTORY OF THE PELOPONNESIAN WARS (VOL.II - BOOK VI):
"It [Sicily] was inhabited in old time, thus; and these were the
nations that held it. Cyclopes and Læstrigones. The most ancient
inhabitants in a part thereof, are said to have been the Cyclopes
and Læstrigones: of whose stock, and whence they came or to
what place they removed, I have nothing to say. Let that suffice
which the poets have spoken, and which every particular man hath
learned of them. Sicanians.After them, the first that appear to have
dwelt therein, are the Sicanians, as they say themselves; nay,
before the other, as being the natural breed of the island. But the
truth is, they were Iberians; and driven away by the Ligyans
[Ligurians] from the banks of Sicanus [Júcar River in Valencia], a
river on which they were seated in Iberia. Sicania, Trinacria. And
the island from them came to be called Sicania, which was before
Trinacria. And these [two] inhabit yet in the western parts of Sicily.
Trojans. After the taking of Ilium certain Trojans, escaping the
hands of the Grecians, landed with small boats in Sicily: and
having planted themselves on the borders of the Sicanians, both
the nations in one were called Elymi; and their cities were Eryx
and Egesta. Hard by these came and dwelled also certain
Phoceans, who coming from Troy, were by tempest carried first
into Afric, and thence into Sicily. Siculi. But the Siculi passed out
of Italy, (for there they inhabited), flying from the Opici [Oscans],
having, as is most likely and as it is reported, observed the strait,
and with a fore wind gotten over in boats which they made
suddenly on the occasion, or perhaps by some other means. [...]
There is at this day a people in Italy called Siculi."
The Sicanians appear to have succeeded these early races,
although according to their own account they were still older; for
they profess to have been children of the soil. But the fact proves
to be that they were Iberians, and were driven from the river
Sicanus in Iberia by the Ligurians. Sicily, which was originally
called Trinacria, received from them the name Sicania. To this day
the Sicanians inhabit the western parts of the island. (3) After the
capture of Troy, some Trojans who had escaped from the
Achaeans came in ships to Sicily; they settled near the Sicanians,
and took the common name of Elymi but had two separate cities,
Eryx and Egesta THUCYDIDES
Could The Sicani be related to The Aurignacian Culture - found in Iberia near the river Sicanus in Spain?
If so, Hg1 R1b R1b3 R-M269 members from Sicily - could well be related to earliest settlers The Sicani. This in a sense makes us native to the island. We could very well be native Sicilians - Pre-Historic natives.
"The Sicaneans were reputed to be the first inhabitants of Sicily,
they built little Villages or Towns upon hills, and every Town had
its own King; and by this means they spread over the country,
before they formed themselves into larger governments with a
common King: Philistus [216] saith that they were transplanted
into Sicily from the River Sicanus in Spain; and Dionysius [217],
that they were a Spanish people who fled from the Ligures in Italy;
he means the Ligures [218] who opposed Hercules when he
returned from his expedition against Geryon in Spain, and
endeavoured to pass the Alps out of Gaul into Italy. Hercules that
year got into Italy, and made some conquests there, and founded
the city Croton; and [219] after winter, upon the arrival of his fleet
from Erythra in Spain, sailed to Sicily, and there left the Sicani: for
it was his custom to recruit his army with conquered people, and
after they had assisted him in making new conquests to reward
them with new seats: this was the Egyptian Hercules, who had a
potent fleet, and in the days of Solomon sailed to the Straits, and
according to his custom set up pillars there, and conquered
Geryon, and returned back by Italy and Sicily to Egypt, and was by
the ancient Gauls called Ogmius, and by Egyptians [220] Nilus: for
Erythra and the country of Geryon were without the Straits.
Dionysius [221] represents this Hercules contemporary to
Evander."
.... The Sicanians appear to have been the next settlers, although
they pretend to have been the first of all and aborigines; but the
facts show that they were Iberians, driven by the Ligurians from
the river Sicanus in Iberia. It was from them that the island, before
called Trinacria, took its name of Sicania, and to the present day
they inhabit the west of Sicily....
THUCYDIDES, HISTORY OF THE PELOPONNESIAN WARS (VOL.II - BOOK VI):
"It [Sicily] was inhabited in old time, thus; and these were the
nations that held it. Cyclopes and Læstrigones. The most ancient
inhabitants in a part thereof, are said to have been the Cyclopes
and Læstrigones: of whose stock, and whence they came or to
what place they removed, I have nothing to say. Let that suffice
which the poets have spoken, and which every particular man hath
learned of them. Sicanians.After them, the first that appear to have
dwelt therein, are the Sicanians, as they say themselves; nay,
before the other, as being the natural breed of the island. But the
truth is, they were Iberians; and driven away by the Ligyans
[Ligurians] from the banks of Sicanus [Júcar River in Valencia], a
river on which they were seated in Iberia. Sicania, Trinacria. And
the island from them came to be called Sicania, which was before
Trinacria. And these [two] inhabit yet in the western parts of Sicily.
Trojans. After the taking of Ilium certain Trojans, escaping the
hands of the Grecians, landed with small boats in Sicily: and
having planted themselves on the borders of the Sicanians, both
the nations in one were called Elymi; and their cities were Eryx
and Egesta. Hard by these came and dwelled also certain
Phoceans, who coming from Troy, were by tempest carried first
into Afric, and thence into Sicily. Siculi. But the Siculi passed out
of Italy, (for there they inhabited), flying from the Opici [Oscans],
having, as is most likely and as it is reported, observed the strait,
and with a fore wind gotten over in boats which they made
suddenly on the occasion, or perhaps by some other means. [...]
There is at this day a people in Italy called Siculi."
The Sicanians appear to have succeeded these early races,
although according to their own account they were still older; for
they profess to have been children of the soil. But the fact proves
to be that they were Iberians, and were driven from the river
Sicanus in Iberia by the Ligurians. Sicily, which was originally
called Trinacria, received from them the name Sicania. To this day
the Sicanians inhabit the western parts of the island. (3) After the
capture of Troy, some Trojans who had escaped from the
Achaeans came in ships to Sicily; they settled near the Sicanians,
and took the common name of Elymi but had two separate cities,
Eryx and Egesta THUCYDIDES
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