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  • #16
    That's bizarre.

    It can be understood the people here at FTDNA who got A's in Europe are all due to back migrations.

    But C and D were splits from the earlier L3 or M, while A is a split from the latter N- who also lead to X, B, and R (the mother of the other European groups).

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Eternitat
      But C and D were splits from the earlier L3 or M, while A is a split from the latter N- who also lead to X, B, and R (the mother of the other European groups).
      this split predates the racial differentiation and has nothing to do with the question on NA types. They couldn't be developed due to homoplasy because have very specific motifs not found in the Old World. Finally, I agree that C-16325 may have Asian origin, taking into account several Siberian samples, but A-16111 is definitely American.

      It seems you prefer the Asian connection and are prejudiced to NA
      Last edited by vraatyah; 6 January 2006, 09:19 AM.

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      • #18
        Is there any data available for the Kola Saami/East Saami regarding D5b?

        Originally posted by vraatyah
        you'll have to wait until my colleague Oleg Balanovsky publishes his data on Russians.

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        • #19
          This is abit offtopic of this thread but what genetic system has been used in this paper where they among other things compare I/H2 and N3/H16 between the Saami and Finns. In table 6 there they seem to use a different system for DYS389i and DYS89ii. I have by assuming the most common haplotype for the Finns is DYS389i=14 and DYS389ii=16/30 using FTDNA system is the same as DYS389i=11 and DYS389ii=28. It is like adding +3 to DYS389i and deduct -1 to DYS389ii or if applying directly to the table DYS389i +3 and DYS389ii +2.

          http://www.genome.org/cgi/content/full/11/3/471#T1

          Is my thinking correct?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Noaide
            Is there any data available for the Kola Saami/East Saami regarding D5b?
            there is one large sample from Kola, but I'm not aware of when the authors will publish it.

            Originally posted by Noaide
            This is abit offtopic of this thread but what genetic system has been used in this paper where they among other things compare I/H2 and N3/H16 between the Saami and Finns. In table 6 there they seem to use a different system for DYS389i and DYS89ii.
            i'm not familiar with Ys

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            • #21
              Prejudice is common also regarding the Saami, it seems everything is better than to have Saami anchestors so people call them self Norwegians, or Kvens instead. Both Saami and NA seem to be connected with drunk and bad people among other things.

              Originally posted by vraatyah
              It seems you prefer the Asian connection and are prejudiced to NA

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              • #22
                Hope it will not take too many years

                Do you have any opinion about Saami mtDNA in general? Do you believe based on the fact at the present as they say in literature that Saami was the first in Scandinavia?

                Originally posted by vraatyah
                there is one large sample from Kola, but I'm not aware of when the authors will publish it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Noaide
                  Prejudice is common also regarding the Saami, it seems everything is better than to have Saami anchestors so people call them self Norwegians, or Kvens instead. Both Saami and NA seem to be connected with drunk and bad people among other things.
                  Noaide, I was just sarcastic about it

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                  • #24


                    Originally posted by vraatyah
                    Noaide, I was just sarcastic about it

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                    • #25
                      I'm not prejudiced against either Asians or Native American Indians.

                      I am just confused because nobody in the family knew anything about it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Eternitat
                        I am just confused because nobody in the family knew anything about it.
                        were you to get a NA marker on a line other than direct maternal, you wouldn't know about it, because you are not admixtured, or if any, no more than other people in the population you belong to. You worry about one ancestor lived 300 years ago, don't you?

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                        • #27
                          Not sure what you mean by admixtured. But if it means being biracial, then no I am not.

                          I was different from the local population because I had my father's accent rather than my mother's local one.

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                          • #28
                            vraatyah

                            Of the existing published data, what HVR1 sequence of D5b is only observed among the Saami?

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                            • #29
                              What is areas are included in the term "North-Russia" ?

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                              • #30
                                I'm looking at the haplogroup Map by FtDNA and MtD is found in ChineseMongols.It's a really E. Asian Haplogroup.Maybe that's why the Finns are so smart and successful because they are really Chinese People! Not backwards White Europeans.I don't know what your subgroup D5 represents. I think all the world's people are great and I like to learn about all of the clans,whereever thay might dwell.
                                Mt D is found in Han,Sabah IslandIndonesia,Siberians,Thailand,Altaians,Alaska n Aleuts,Alaskan Eskimos,and in some American Indians!

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