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Originally posted by msreddy
Around the 9th and 10th centuries, the Vikings ruled part of Ukraine (e.g., Kiev).
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In Europe, R1a is mostly associated with Slavs, particularly Poles, Belarusians, and Ukrainians, among whom over half are typically estimated to be R1a.
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I am also R1a of Greek descent. The R1a haplogroup is present in over 11% of the Greek population.
The "Kurgan hypothesis" of Proto-Indo-European origins assumes gradual expansion of the "Kurgan culture" until it encompasses the entire Pontic steppe, Kurgan IV being identified with the Pit Grave culture of around 3000 BC. Subsequent expansion beyond the steppes leads to hybrid cultures, such as the Globular Amphora culture to the west and the immigration of proto-Greeks to the Balkans.
I'm curious to see what the haplogroup of the Dorians were, they invaded Mycenaean Greece in the 1st millennium BC, and were a tribe from the North, possibly descendants of the Kurgans and members of the R1a haplogroup.Comment
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Have you read In Search of the Indo-Europeans: Language, Archaeology and Myth, by Dr. J.P. Mallory (London: Thames & Hudson, 2003 reprint of 1989 original)?
I am in the process of reading it now. I think you would find it very interesting, although it is not a genetics book. It examines linguistic, archaeological, historical, and mythological evidence to attempt to locate the Proto-Indo-Europeans and their homeland.
It does deal with the evidence for Indo-European intrusion into what is now Greece. It seems pretty plain that the Indo-European Greeks came into that area from the north, as invaders.Comment
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R1b in South Asia & China
Stevo: The incidence of R1b3 is a lowly 0.6% in India mostly found in the Agharia caste of Eastern India. In Pakistan, it occurs at ~3% amongst the Baluch and Pathans. As for the other sub-clade R1b2b, it has an interesting spread, found as far as China amongst Uygurs and Naxi and, also amongst Hazara of Pakistan at ~4% (who otherwise harbour the Mongol C3).Originally posted by Stevo
Trade over the Silk Route offers some clues to the presence of R1b in the Orient.Comment
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The level of R1b among the Uyghurs is too high to attribute to trade along the Silk Road. The Uyghurs themselves trace their descent from the Tocharians, whose extinct Indo-European language bears distinct affinities to Proto-Celtic and is (unusual among Eastern IE languages) centum rather than satem.Originally posted by Kaiser
The European mummies of the Takla Makan region of northwest China (Uyghur country) date from 3,000 or more years ago and represent a settled people with cities of their own.
I have also read that R1b is present in Northwest India at fairly significant levels, but I have not really looked much to try to verify that.Comment
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I read haplogroup R1a meets in Germany. In Russia the majority of people with this haplogroup. If Adolf Hitler knew that destroys genetically related people he would begin the war?Comment
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It's kind of amusing to me to look at the haplogroup map of Germany on page 2 here and to see what a genetic stew the place is (like all of us are).Originally posted by rsychev
Hitler was such a pathetic moron.
Too bad he didn't choke on a turnip before reaching adulthood.Comment
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Reddy,Originally posted by msreddy
Did you upload your results from genographic project into FTDNA? After that, how are your 12/12 matches looking like, who do you match...?Comment
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Hello R1a cousin!Originally posted by rsychev
Hitler would probably have come up with further variations within R1a to justify his actions. Or he would have used other non-Y-chromosome components of the DNA, his own people would have become a target that way, there would be no end to differentiation/discrimination once you go down that path....Comment
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Would be interesting to know what DNA Hitler himself had. You don't find it from famous DNA. Obviously he wasn't a Djengis Khan with many descendantsOriginally posted by rsychev
. Somewhere I read that he probably had some distant jewish ancestry, if from paternal or maternal side it might have been seen in Y-DNA or mt-DNA.
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Adolf Hitler was merely following in the footsteps of Otto von Bismarck. This is from a German web site:Originally posted by rsychev
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Bismarck had made his anti-Polish stance known in drastic statements written to his sister as early as 1861:
Beat the Poles until they despair of living [.] . . . I have all the sympathy in the world for their situation, but if we want to survive we can do nothing other than wipe them out. The wolf cannot help it, either, that God made him the way he is, and one shoots him dead anyway for it if one can.
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Notice how Bismarck equates brutal imperial expansion with "survival," just as Hitler did, and other ethnic groups with morally meaningless animals, just as Hitler did.Comment
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How do stock-propagandist racist polemics against the demonized 'evil beastly Germans' keep compulsively cropping up on a forum dedicated to genetics? Does the not entirely numbed conscience of self-righteous modernity need its scapegoats and subhuman bogeymen, or what?Comment
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topic is closedOriginally posted by HrodberhtComment
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Who said that Germans are "evil" and "beastly"?Originally posted by Hrodberht
Posts critical of Hitler and Bismarck hardly count as blanket condemnations of all Germans.
I wonder why such posts seem to trouble you.Comment
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rightOriginally posted by Stevo
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sorry for off topicComment
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