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I have recently received a posting on another forum from Charles Moore as follows:
I have been officially informed as a member of the ISOGG Y-Tree Committee that Geno 2.0 results are not expected to be released for the male participants for another one to two weeks. This news ultimately comes from Spencer Wells and Bennett Greenspan.
However, there is a lot of good hiding behind this delay. They are being continually surprised, particularly in Haplogroups I, J, and R, that SNPs previously thought to be multiple SNPs defining the same subclade levels, are in fact actually layering out the tree. Yeeha!
The large number of tests of a large number of SNPs are apparently revolutionizing the Y tree. Even some major classification levels, potentially affecting some long-known ancestral naming conventions such as "R1b" could potentially be at risk of being changed by the layering taking place.
I was not given any specifics, but we can look at subclade levels on the R1b-U106 Comprehensive Tree where there are a large number of SNPs with the background painted green or yellow, and see the potential layering that might take place over time as more guys get tested for Geno 2.0. The clade defined by Z5 is one potential example where layering might take place.
Although I was told to expect the results in one to two weeks, the publication of the new tree itself is another matter. Spencer and Bennett decided to further delay the publication of the new tree for the simple reason of the fact that it is changing too rapidly as a result of all the tests they are running. Despite the frustration of the delay, this is really great news. I imagine that these guys fully realize that they have to pull these triggers regardless, but it really is terrific that this chip is having this significant effect on the tree, and that a sufficiently large number of initial "blind" testers signed up, to cause all of this revolution to occur.
I was not told whether any list of SNPs or locations or an update to TK's draft tree or yMap would accompany the release of the results, or not. Obviously if not, that would be rather frustrating if we have to wait for publication of the tree to understand where the CTS SNPs are located. So on this point, I am merely "hopeful".
Nevertheless, the bottom line is that we have a lot of SNPs already in our group, painted green or yellow on the tree, that Ray will be reporting on his spreadsheet as soon as the results are released and we send him our raw data. So we might begin to see some of that potential layering taking place as Ray updates his sheet.
So it is unfortunate about the delay, but we might have a nice Christmas present.
Ray reports that at least 18 of our testers are now waiting in QC, otherwise known as the Alcatraz of DNA, from which there is no escape, until Uncles Spencer and Bennett say so.
It sounds like it will be worth the wait.
Charles
I have been officially informed as a member of the ISOGG Y-Tree Committee that Geno 2.0 results are not expected to be released for the male participants for another one to two weeks. This news ultimately comes from Spencer Wells and Bennett Greenspan.
However, there is a lot of good hiding behind this delay. They are being continually surprised, particularly in Haplogroups I, J, and R, that SNPs previously thought to be multiple SNPs defining the same subclade levels, are in fact actually layering out the tree. Yeeha!
The large number of tests of a large number of SNPs are apparently revolutionizing the Y tree. Even some major classification levels, potentially affecting some long-known ancestral naming conventions such as "R1b" could potentially be at risk of being changed by the layering taking place.
I was not given any specifics, but we can look at subclade levels on the R1b-U106 Comprehensive Tree where there are a large number of SNPs with the background painted green or yellow, and see the potential layering that might take place over time as more guys get tested for Geno 2.0. The clade defined by Z5 is one potential example where layering might take place.
Although I was told to expect the results in one to two weeks, the publication of the new tree itself is another matter. Spencer and Bennett decided to further delay the publication of the new tree for the simple reason of the fact that it is changing too rapidly as a result of all the tests they are running. Despite the frustration of the delay, this is really great news. I imagine that these guys fully realize that they have to pull these triggers regardless, but it really is terrific that this chip is having this significant effect on the tree, and that a sufficiently large number of initial "blind" testers signed up, to cause all of this revolution to occur.
I was not told whether any list of SNPs or locations or an update to TK's draft tree or yMap would accompany the release of the results, or not. Obviously if not, that would be rather frustrating if we have to wait for publication of the tree to understand where the CTS SNPs are located. So on this point, I am merely "hopeful".
Nevertheless, the bottom line is that we have a lot of SNPs already in our group, painted green or yellow on the tree, that Ray will be reporting on his spreadsheet as soon as the results are released and we send him our raw data. So we might begin to see some of that potential layering taking place as Ray updates his sheet.
So it is unfortunate about the delay, but we might have a nice Christmas present.
Ray reports that at least 18 of our testers are now waiting in QC, otherwise known as the Alcatraz of DNA, from which there is no escape, until Uncles Spencer and Bennett say so.
It sounds like it will be worth the wait.
Charles
Oh well, I was hoping for it to come this week since I have been at 80% for a cuople of days now but it looks more like it wil be around the 10th-14th.
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