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  • NormanGalway
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    George,

    you are right... I've never seen you advertize here.
    My apologies for suggesting you might've been drunk.
    Perhaps you were not meaning to "flame."
    Autosomal testing is problematic at best even for those who
    undertake it, which is why that's such an active thread.

    Peace.

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  • scotdna
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    ....... tag

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by scotdna
    This is like a juvenile game of tag. You're it!!!
    That was an important contribution to it.

    Very helpful.

    Please, FTDNA, shut down this thread.

    Anyway, I'm shutting down my part in it.

    Adios!

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  • scotdna
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    This is like a juvenile game of tag. You're it!!!

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  • Stevo
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    Good.

    So now perhaps FTDNA might consider closing this rather unpleasant thread?

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  • NormanGalway
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    Likewise. And I include your co-moderator.

    You both barged into a thread where I have been posting regularly... so work a little harder at "avoidance."

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by NormanGalway
    your sentiment was clear and I think admirable. so I accept anyway.

    please include all members of your forum who have never posted here before, and we have a deal.
    I have no control over others, Norman.

    I have never suggested to anyone that they post here or even register here.

    Members of the "other forum" are not under my control in any way. In fact, I think most of them have been members of the FTDNA Forum for much longer than I have.

    These recent exchanges with you have been very unpleasant. I wish to avoid any further contact with you, if at all possible.

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  • NormanGalway
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    your sentiment was clear and I think admirable. so I accept anyway.

    please include all members of your forum who have never posted here before, and we have a deal.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by NormanGalway
    I think that's a wise policy, Stevo.

    I never accused you of being the "same person," which is quite clear from my post.

    I really do hope we hear more from "Mr. Unknown Street," and not just in this thread.

    If you're "kidding around" is an admission that perhaps that was not the wisest thing to post while your co-moderator flamed the thread, apology accepted.

    In the meantime, I encourage you and you various friends and supporters to try autosomal testing. You might actually like it, and we would love to have a smart guy like you contributing something of value.
    I didn't apologize, Norman. I said I was kidding around. Nothing to apologize for.

    I also don't regard anything posted by GvdM in that thread as "flaming."

    He simply expressed his view that terms like "Connecticut Caucasian" and "California Caucasian" are ridiculous. That's his opinion. He has a right to it.

    I would prefer it if from now on you would kindly avoid addressing me or otherwise having anything to do with me. I will strive to the same thing for you.

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  • NormanGalway
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    I think that's a wise policy, Stevo.

    I never accused you of being the "same person," which is quite clear from my post.

    I really do hope we hear more from "Mr. Unknown Street," and not just in this thread.

    If your "kidding around" is an admission that perhaps that was not the wisest thing to post while your co-moderator flamed the thread, apology accepted.

    In the meantime, I encourage you and your various friends and supporters to try autosomal testing. You might actually like it, and we would love to have a smart guy like you contributing something of value.
    Last edited by NormanGalway; 2 December 2006, 12:29 PM.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by NormanGalway

    You have an awfully similar writing style to Stevo, BTW. Guess that other forum "rubs off" on its members.

    For the record, I'm sure Stevo would never use a shill, or ask a pal to do such a thing. Anyway, now that you are actually posting here, it would be interesting to see what you can contribute on the Tribes forum. Unless, of course, you just want to flame. But now that you've gotten this off you're chest, I have a feeling we won't be hearing much from you any more...

    Hope that's not the case!
    Norman,

    I and "Unknown St." are not the same person.

    I don't know that much about autosomal testing. Although I do have my doubts about it, I'm open to learning more. I was kidding around in what I posted on that other thread because I found the term "California Caucasian" kind of humorous for some reason.

    The responses to what I and GvdM posted have been all out of proportion to their content. Most of what was written to and about GvdM, in particular, amounts to ad hominem attacks.

    I find it ironic that some folks accuse GvdM and/or myself of "spamming" or "advertising" for another forum when they themselves mostly post in threads having to do with services provided by companies other than FTDNA, like DNA Tribes, DNA Consulting, etc.

    Anyway, I plan to avoid members who cannot discuss subjects and disagree with others without attacking them as persons.

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  • scotdna
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    On the other side of the coin, I don't think people who claim to be so open minded should be so dismissive of testing that they don't believe is worthwhile.
    DNA genealogy is relatively new and who knows which avenue will turn out to be the best. It seems to me that deep clade SNP testing, which the same critics support, also only provides general guesses about deep background.

    And congratulations St. That's great news. I'm hoping for similar breakthrough some day.

    Scot

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  • NormanGalway
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    well, "mr. unknown street" since this is the first time you've ever posted on FTDNA, that is quite an interesting inaugural post. If you're a member of both boards, why have you never posted here before? Or are you brand new... if so, welcome!

    How someone who's never been a member here would zero in on this particular thread is quite obvious, but Welcome all the same!

    Since you have not done any autosomal testing, it's hard to imagine how you could be a "poster child" for it, but glad you were maybe able to discover your unknown roots using Y-DNA.

    You have an awfully similar writing style to Stevo, BTW. Guess that other forum "rubs off" on its members.

    For the record, I'm sure Stevo would never use a shill, or ask a pal to do such a thing. Anyway, now that you are actually posting here, it would be interesting to see what you can contribute on the Tribes forum. Unless, of course, you just want to flame. But now that you've gotten this off you're chest, I have a feeling we won't be hearing much from you any more...

    Hope that's not the case!
    Last edited by NormanGalway; 2 December 2006, 11:49 AM.

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  • KerryODair
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    Originally posted by Unknown St.
    I guess I should start with my SUCCESS story... If anything, I'm probably the poster child for autosomal testing. I don't know my birth parents. I was adopted. Joined the National Genographic project, and eventially got my 67 markers tested, Deep SNP, and currently EA's S21. I recieved matches with several Sinclairs (exact matches as well as 1 and 2 off). So, without a paper trail, I'm about 95% sure my birth-father was a Sinclair. This next year I'll spring for my MtDNA. I think it's pretty clear why I'm not holding my breath on autosomal testing. It's all been said before, and said better than I could ever say. And now for my rant...


    "Anybody who doubts how inappropriate and childish his behavior was need only review the thread in question. Frankly, his insults got to be too much and targeted as they were at a very kind lady - a social worker "

    I read through the thread in question and all I saw was his doubt in the validity of autosomal testing. "His insults got to be too much?" What insults?
    "And targeted as they were at a very kind lady - a social worker?" If he was insulting, who cares if she's a social worker? Are you sucking up to someone here?


    "How can you waist your money on this? Maybe in the future they will figure out what the hell they are talking about but right now this is utter nonsense........"

    Well, sounds like an opinion to me. By the way, that was also the only "insult" there. Perhaps straight forward, but insulting? Hardly. In fact, he also asked for any "reliable application of Autosomal DNA to genealogy." Didn't seem like you, or anyone else for that matter, answered him.


    "being intoxicated is a far more charitable explanation than the alternative... which is that GVDM behaves in such an obnoxious way when sober."

    Sounds like you were kind of insulting.... Hmmmm. I hope he's not a social worker.


    "This I guess: Out of the blue.. I felt invaded and I felt it was uncalled for..
    and I ran an Addictions program( County IDRC) in NJ for 10+ years so that is what it felt like..the proverbial elephant in the living room... hence my comment"

    Invaded? Sounds a little too dramatic to me. This wasn't a "Law and Order" episode. Someone questioning why you bought a product is uncalled for? Why? Sounds like a thread involving a product should include the pro's and con's of that product. Common sense?


    "I for one am quite sick of seeing advertisements for your rival board and like others here would like you to stop spamming these boards with nonsense about them."

    Advertising? Rival board? To each their own. I'm a member of both boards and don't see it as a "rival board." In fact both boards compliment each other. And if anything, it's free advertising for FTDNA and other companies on the other board.



    The only thing missing here is some plain old common sense. Some people need to drop their security blankets and open up to different ideas and opinions. Don't take everything so seriously/literally... Ahhhh, that felt good.
    Very well spoken, I agree whole heartedly.

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    Just my two cents...

    I guess I should start with my SUCCESS story... If anything, I'm probably the poster child for autosomal testing. I don't know my birth parents. I was adopted. Joined the National Genographic project, and eventially got my 67 markers tested, Deep SNP, and currently EA's S21. I recieved matches with several Sinclairs (exact matches as well as 1 and 2 off). So, without a paper trail, I'm about 95% sure my birth-father was a Sinclair. This next year I'll spring for my MtDNA. I think it's pretty clear why I'm not holding my breath on autosomal testing. It's all been said before, and said better than I could ever say. And now for my rant...


    "Anybody who doubts how inappropriate and childish his behavior was need only review the thread in question. Frankly, his insults got to be too much and targeted as they were at a very kind lady - a social worker "

    I read through the thread in question and all I saw was his doubt in the validity of autosomal testing. "His insults got to be too much?" What insults?
    "And targeted as they were at a very kind lady - a social worker?" If he was insulting, who cares if she's a social worker? Are you sucking up to someone here?


    "How can you waist your money on this? Maybe in the future they will figure out what the hell they are talking about but right now this is utter nonsense........"

    Well, sounds like an opinion to me. By the way, that was also the only "insult" there. Perhaps straight forward, but insulting? Hardly. In fact, he also asked for any "reliable application of Autosomal DNA to genealogy." Didn't seem like you, or anyone else for that matter, answered him.


    "being intoxicated is a far more charitable explanation than the alternative... which is that GVDM behaves in such an obnoxious way when sober."

    Sounds like you were kind of insulting.... Hmmmm. I hope he's not a social worker.


    "This I guess: Out of the blue.. I felt invaded and I felt it was uncalled for..
    and I ran an Addictions program( County IDRC) in NJ for 10+ years so that is what it felt like..the proverbial elephant in the living room... hence my comment"

    Invaded? Sounds a little too dramatic to me. This wasn't a "Law and Order" episode. Someone questioning why you bought a product is uncalled for? Why? Sounds like a thread involving a product should include the pro's and con's of that product. Common sense?


    "I for one am quite sick of seeing advertisements for your rival board and like others here would like you to stop spamming these boards with nonsense about them."

    Advertising? Rival board? To each their own. I'm a member of both boards and don't see it as a "rival board." In fact both boards compliment each other. And if anything, it's free advertising for FTDNA and other companies on the other board.



    The only thing missing here is some plain old common sense. Some people need to drop their security blankets and open up to different ideas and opinions. Don't take everything so seriously/literally... Ahhhh, that felt good.

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