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    My grandfather was Carl Oskar Nilsson, born 1896 in the small town of Varberg in Sweden. His mother was Alma Olivia Johansson, born 1862 in the same place. She was married to a man with name Johan Nilsson from the same town. This Johan Nilsson is registrated in the official records as beeing the father of my grandfather.
    A few years ago, I took an Y-DNA-test, and saw that my closest Y-DNA-relative was a man with roots in Norra Vram in Skåne, Sweden. I investigated Johan Nilssons heritage on his mothers side back to the end of the 1600:s and could not find there any connection to the family in Norra Vram.
    The same thing repeated itself when taking autosomal DNA-tests both at Ancestry as well with FamilyTreeDNA. I analysed some 1600 matches, and could not confirm one single DNA-match connected to my supposed grandfathers father Johan Nilssons mothers ancestors, from the Nösslinge-Karl Gustav region i Halland, Sweden. (Statisticallt, there should be some 200). Instead I got many matches connected to the mentioned family from Skåne.
    After one year of work, trying to connect Johan Nilsson with Norra Vram, I finally gave up and realised, that Johan Nilsson simply cannot be father to my grandfather Carl Oskar Nilsson.(That Carl Oskar Nilsson actually is my grandfather have I satisfactory proof for in other ways). So my conclusion was: I actually am not of ”Johan Nilsson”-stock, but of ”Norra Vram-stock”.
    How could it be? Norra Vram and Varberg are distant from each other by some 250 km and my grandfathers mother have probaby never been away to Norra Vram in Skåne.
    I started to study the lists of inhabitants in the town of Varberg during the second half of the 1800:s and found, that there was but one person with descent from this family in Norra Vram. The person in question moved in to Varberg in 1895 from Norra Vram (the year before the birth of my grandfather), lived there a few years, then moved away to another town.
    As I mentioned previously, my grandmothers mother Alma Olivia was already married, so there was evidently no future together for my grandfathers real father and my grandfathers mother. Probably my grandfathers father never came to know at all that he actually was the father to my grandfather. However, nowadays, I actually consider him, the man from Norra Vram, as my ancestor and myself as a decendant to him and a member of this family, with roots in Norra Vram, Skåne, Sweden.

    bossen1.

    Last edited by bossen1; 29 March 2021, 04:17 AM.

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    If you took a Y-DNA test to learn more about your male ancestors why are you tracing Johan Nilsson's mother's side? You need to research Johan Nilsson's father. The Y-Chromosome follows the direct male line, so your grandfather Carl Oskar Nilsson received his Y-Chromosome from his father who received the Y-Chromosome from his father etc. Also how close a match is this person that has ancestors Norra Vram? If he is not a close match than there might not be any true connection between your family and his for hundreds or possibly thousands of years.

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      Hi and thanks for your answer. I have an Y-DNA-test which clearly tells me from which family I trace my male line. However it is like that, that Johan Nilssons father in unknown, and I tried to look fot that one. Whoever that may bee, I should in any case be related autosomally to his (Johan Nilssons) mothers ancesters, which I evidently not am (because there are no relation and matches on that side), so therefore Johan Nilsson mother is not my grandfathers fathers mother, and hence it is not any man that she have been with, who is my grandfathers grandfather, because I am simpy not helated to hers side. If she was my ancester, I should have some 200 autosomal matches (among my 1600 investigatet matches) with her ancesters family, which I not have, not a single one.
      Last edited by bossen1; 30 March 2021, 02:45 AM.

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        Knowing that, what are your plans now? Are you planning to hire an expert to dig more regarding your family line?

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          Originally posted by bossen1 View Post
          Hi and thanks for your answer. I have an Y-DNA-test which clearly tells me from which family I trace my male line. However it is like that, that Johan Nilssons father in unknown, and I tried to look fot that one. Whoever that may bee, I should in any case be related autosomally to his (Johan Nilssons) mothers ancesters, which I evidently not am (because there are no relation and matches on that side), so therefore Johan Nilsson mother is not my grandfathers fathers mother, and hence it is not any man that she have been with, who is my grandfathers grandfather, because I am simpy not helated to hers side. If she was my ancester, I should have some 200 autosomal matches (among my 1600 investigatet matches) with her ancesters family, which I not have, not a single one.
          I was tracing my great grandfather on my mother's mother's side and finally discovered that I had no matches to the Sutton line people were assuming my great grandad Sutton was part of. Instead I discovered through DNA matches who my real gg grandparents and ggg grandparents down my Sutton line were. Thank heavens for DNA
          Last edited by keigh; 14 April 2021, 07:05 PM.

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