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    I have a very small amount of East Asian (Siberian in some tests), less than 1%. How can I determine if this is noise or if it's actually Mongolian or something like that or else North American Native. It shows up in several tests I have done such as with Dyodecad and Eurogenes etc.
    Paternal is Ukrainian so there could be Asian there, and maternal side has family stories of Native American in our ancestry.

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    I wonder(ed) about the same thing.
    I also have Colonial American ancestry AND fairly recent Slavic ancestry. Mine is Czechoslovakian.
    Last edited by rainbow; 3rd April 2012, 06:05 AM.

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    • #3
      If and when I ever decide to have a FF test done, it will probably be confusing too. I am 25% Austrian (maternal grandfather); Danube swath of the country, which is a blended mixture of various strains.

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      • #4
        I have read that Native Americans are not testing so there is not enough samples out there to help. I have also read on a web page about Davidski Eurogenes K12b that if you don't think you have any possible connection to some of the locations and it is under 2% it could be noise. I think all this is still pretty new and he not sure. But since he said under 2% could be noise I use that.

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        • #5
          Not certain about that.

          Originally posted by EdwardRHill View Post
          I have read that Native Americans are not testing so there is not enough samples out there to help. I have also read on a web page about Davidski Eurogenes K12b that if you don't think you have any possible connection to some of the locations and it is under 2% it could be noise. I think all this is still pretty new and he not sure. But since he said under 2% could be noise I use that.
          For example, if >2% is not noise, then my mother who is 7% East Asian would be legit. But if we assume that number would be fractioned in half with me at 3.5%- then my daughters would wind up <2%, I would not consider that to be noise. It would be a legitimate part of their ancestry (although I cannot substantiate it with paper work.)

          Admittedly I do not fully understand how autosomal percentages break down over generations, and they can probably vary widely in instances of mixed ethnicity. Recognizing that phenotypes are non demonstrative indicators of y and Mtdna, they quite possibly could play a role in autosomal. I have seen instances of very dark african american men who had children with scandinavian women, and their child was alabaster white. Would her autosomal dna reflect very low percentages of African although she is technically half?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Zaru View Post
            For example, if >2% is not noise, then my mother who is 7% East Asian would be legit. But if we assume that number would be fractioned in half with me at 3.5%- then my daughters would wind up <2%, I would not consider that to be noise. It would be a legitimate part of their ancestry (although I cannot substantiate it with paper work.)

            Admittedly I do not fully understand how autosomal percentages break down over generations, and they can probably vary widely in instances of mixed ethnicity. Recognizing that phenotypes are non demonstrative indicators of y and Mtdna, they quite possibly could play a role in autosomal. I have seen instances of very dark african american men who had children with scandinavian women, and their child was alabaster white. Would her autosomal dna reflect very low percentages of African although she is technically half?
            I looked for the site before posting so I could give you the source but could not find it. I'm sure he knows more about it than me and thats what I'm using. I have a rumor of Indian Blood in my family and have found 2 grandmothers who have some information saying they are either Half or full blooded but I don't have anything saying East Asia for me when it comes to Dr McDonald or Gedmatch.

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            • #7
              It's just that these small amounts of Asian and African are showing up in every test I take, and there's no other ethnic groups showing up in tiny amounts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cokie View Post
                It's just that these small amounts of Asian and African are showing up in every test I take, and there's no other ethnic groups showing up in tiny amounts.
                I think for now no one can say you have or you don't have Indian DNA. Is it possible for East Asia to show up in someone from the country of Georgia? My guess is, that it is, but does it mean a person from Georgia has a Native American connection. I think the chance are low.
                Last edited by EdwardRHill; 3rd April 2012, 09:19 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EdwardRHill View Post
                  I looked for the site before posting so I could give you the source but could not find it. I'm sure he knows more about it than me and thats what I'm using. I have a rumor of Indian Blood in my family and have found 2 grandmothers who have some information saying they are either Half or full blooded but I don't have anything saying East Asia for me when it comes to Dr McDonald or Gedmatch.
                  The East Asia=Native American is an industry rumour. When my mother took the test a few years ago this is what we were told (because she is half African American). Then on the PBS program last week, Dr. Gates said the same thing, so that rumour still persists. It makes me wonder if they are going on assumptions here...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zaru View Post
                    The East Asia=Native American is an industry rumour. When my mother took the test a few years ago this is what we were told (because she is half African American). Then on the PBS program last week, Dr. Gates said the same thing, so that rumour still persists. It makes me wonder if they are going on assumptions here...
                    Sounds like a good answer to me East Asia=Native American.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cokie View Post
                      I have a very small amount of East Asian (Siberian in some tests), less than 1%. How can I determine if this is noise or if it's actually Mongolian or something like that or else North American Native.
                      If you are half Ukrainian, those Asian levels are probably quite usual. Your best bet is not to make assumptions based on imaginary components but to compare your results to people with similar ancestries, and conversely to see where in the world people with similar results to yours are from.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cokie View Post
                        I have a very small amount of East Asian (Siberian in some tests), less than 1%. How can I determine if this is noise or if it's actually Mongolian or something like that or else North American Native. It shows up in several tests I have done such as with Dyodecad and Eurogenes etc.
                        Paternal is Ukrainian so there could be Asian there, and maternal side has family stories of Native American in our ancestry.
                        Have you tried Gedmatch.com yet?
                        Also check out the spreadsheets at Eurogenes.

                        http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdDFJc1ZFTnNwdHJROW44Y2xNVjg4c nc#gid=0"

                        list of country codes: http://www.theodora.com/country_digraphs.html
                        Last edited by rainbow; 5th April 2012, 06:26 PM.

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                        • #13
                          I came up part siberian (yakut) on my population finder results. I'm sure it correlates to my amerindian ancestry.

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                          • #14
                            Xolotl,
                            How do you know is was Yakut and how much Amerindian is in your ancestry do you know?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Xolotl View Post
                              I came up part siberian (yakut) on my population finder results. I'm sure it correlates to my amerindian ancestry.
                              Absolutely! A piece of the puzzle to the "melting pot" we are all in, so to speak!

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