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  • mtdna haplotype subclade H7 Sweden&Finland?

    I have just read a recent paper regarding subclades. It lists H7 as being from Sweden and Finland. This makes sense to me knowing a little about my maternal great-grandmothers background. Has anyone else read this?
    Does FTDNA know yet if this is true? Any help would be much appreciated.
    It has been a long time since I had the subclade test done without a definate answer.

  • #2
    Could you cite the article?

    Could you cite the article? The only mention I recall ever seeing of the h7 geography (“High Resolution mtDNA evidence for the late-glacial resettlement of Europe from an Iberian refugium” 2005: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Press) pointed toward Norway.

    Cordially--
    Rick, who is wondering where all the mtDNA H7s and yDNA I1b folks are...

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    • #3
      Hi,

      This is what I read from the internet. I have read the other papers pointing toward the Iberian pn. Seems Norway , Sweden and Iberia are quite some distance away from eachother. I though by now my subclade testing would be pinpointed. ..Anyhow, here is the article:


      Some time ago I identified six varieties of I1a haplotypes which had different
      > geographical distributions and substantial populations. When preparing that
      > message I chose to leave out a seventh variety of I1a because I thought its
      > population was too small to have confidence it was pure I1a considering I had to
      > use the YHRD database and its very few markers in order to identify I1a from all
      > other haplogroups. But this seventh variety certainly had shown geographical
      > concentration in Sweden and Finland.
      >
      > This variety which I will call H7 is 15, 23, 14, 14, 8, 13 at DYS 19, 390,
      > 385a,b, 455, 462 (the last two markers are not available at YHRD)
      >
      > I went to Sorenson database where I could add the DYS 455 = 8 marker as strong
      > identifier for only I1a, and I could add DYS 462 = 13 as identifier of being a
      > variety founded AFTER the major bifurcation of I1a in Scandinavia when modal DYS
      > 462 = 12 converted into modal DYS 462 = 13
      >
      > Checking the pedigrees at Sorenson database for the H7 haplotypes, I can now
      > confirm a strong preference for family origins in Sweden or Finland!
      >
      > H7 should then geographically be distinquished from "Ultra-Norse" H5 = 14, 23,
      > 14, 15, 8, 13 at the same markers in that H5 shows a clear preference for Norway
      > in its geographical distribution although it is well present in Sweden and
      > Finland as well. H7 was not significantly present with Norwegian origins.
      >
      > I changed the H7 DYS 462 from "13" to "12" and as expected got a series of
      > matches on Sorenson with origins from all over the places in Europe with
      > substantial I1a and no particular concentration in Fenno-Scandinavia. This
      > indicates that the DYS 462 = 12 version of such haplotypes consists of mainly
      > random mutations from the other DYS 462 = 12 varieties found throughout Germany,
      > Netherlands, Denmark, and then on up into southern Sweden and Norway.
      >
      > Ken
      >

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      • #4
        Originally posted by candy
        > This variety which I will call H7 is 15, 23, 14, 14, 8, 13 at DYS 19, 390,
        > 385a,b, 455, 462 (the last two markers are not available at YHRD)
        >

        > Ken
        >
        Hi Candy,

        Ken appears to be talking about a cluster of Y-DNA I1a that hes called "H7", and not the mtDNA haplogroup H7.

        As for the Geographical origins of mtDNA H7, - the scientific breakdown of mtDNA haplogroup H is just in its infancy, and there are very few populations that have had haplogroup H subclades tested adequately. I think we'll need to wait until there are many more population studies testing the subclades before we have a better idea.
        My fathers mtDNA is most likely to be H7, so this is something that is of personal interest to me as well.

        Angela.

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        • #5
          Thank you for your reply. After reading more closely, I realized you are right. Ken was not speaking of mtdna. I know not many that have been tested have come back as H7, but It has been about a year since I had the subclade test done and came back as H7. I know I have to be patient and take a "wait and see" attitude. I'm afraid it will be years before I have an answer. Thanks again for your replies.

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          • #6
            About mtDNA H7

            I am also H7. This was sent to me by Mr Ian Logan who's done some research on this sub-clade. It seems right to me because my mother's family is Italian.

            H7 is a nice little subgroup of Haplogroup H, and I suggest it is about 5% of H;
            and this would make about H7 about 1-2% of all Europeans.

            I tend to think of Haplogroup H coming into Europe via the Mediterranean
            about 50,000 years ago; and some people suggest H people stayed in the warmth of Spain, Italy & Greece in the last glacial periods before spreading
            northwards.

            Anyway I don't think one can really say any more about H7 from our present
            knowledge,than to say it is still more common in the Spanish and Italian countries than in the Anglo-Saxon north of Europe.

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            • #7
              I've yet to refine my mtdna Haplo-H to see if I have a sub-group.

              My maternal line is from Scotland. Supposedly H branched from France with the retreating glaciers of the last Ice Age.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by candy
                I have just read a recent paper regarding subclades. It lists H7 as being from Sweden and Finland. This makes sense to me knowing a little about my maternal great-grandmothers background. Has anyone else read this?
                Does FTDNA know yet if this is true? Any help would be much appreciated.
                It has been a long time since I had the subclade test done without a definate answer.
                I'm from Finland, and so is my maternal line (as far as I know). I haven't tested for any subclades, but the only H-sublcades that I match seem to be H1b. The H-haplogroup seems to be very evenly distributed in Europe. I just have 1 match from any country, except 2 from Ireland:

                H
                Germany
                -
                1

                H
                Great Britain
                -
                1

                H
                Hungary
                -
                1

                H
                Ireland
                -
                2

                H
                Scotland
                -
                1

                H
                Switzerland
                -
                1

                H
                United Kingdom
                -
                1

                H
                United States
                -
                1

                H
                Unknown Origin
                -
                10

                H
                Wales
                -
                1

                H1b
                Germany
                -
                1

                H1b
                Norway
                -
                1

                H1b
                Poland
                -
                1

                U4
                Unknown Origin
                -
                1

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by candy
                  I have just read a recent paper regarding subclades. It lists H7 as being from Sweden and Finland. This makes sense to me knowing a little about my maternal great-grandmothers background. Has anyone else read this?
                  Does FTDNA know yet if this is true? Any help would be much appreciated.
                  It has been a long time since I had the subclade test done without a definate answer.
                  \
                  my son is h7

                  he has 2000+ matches

                  h7 got around

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