mtdna haplotype subclade H7 Sweden&Finland?

[candy]

I have just read a recent paper regarding subclades. It lists H7 as being from Sweden and Finland. This makes sense to me knowing a little about my maternal great-grandmothers background. Has anyone else read this?
Does FTDNA know yet if this is true? Any help would be much appreciated.
It has been a long time since I had the subclade test done without a definate answer.

[Rick De Lotto]

Could you cite the article?

Could you cite the article? The only mention I recall ever seeing of the h7 geography (“High Resolution mtDNA evidence for the late-glacial resettlement of Europe from an Iberian refugium” 2005: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Press) pointed toward Norway.

Cordially--
Rick, who is wondering where all the mtDNA H7s and yDNA I1b folks are...

[candy]

Hi,

This is what I read from the internet. I have read the other papers pointing toward the Iberian pn. Seems Norway , Sweden and Iberia are quite some distance away from eachother. I though by now my subclade testing would be pinpointed. ..Anyhow, here is the article:


Some time ago I identified six varieties of I1a haplotypes which had different
> geographical distributions and substantial populations. When preparing that
> message I chose to leave out a seventh variety of I1a because I thought its
> population was too small to have confidence it was pure I1a considering I had to
> use the YHRD database and its very few markers in order to identify I1a from all
> other haplogroups. But this seventh variety certainly had shown geographical
> concentration in Sweden and Finland.
>
> This variety which I will call H7 is 15, 23, 14, 14, 8, 13 at DYS 19, 390,
> 385a,b, 455, 462 (the last two markers are not available at YHRD)
>
> I went to Sorenson database where I could add the DYS 455 = 8 marker as strong
> identifier for only I1a, and I could add DYS 462 = 13 as identifier of being a
> variety founded AFTER the major bifurcation of I1a in Scandinavia when modal DYS
> 462 = 12 converted into modal DYS 462 = 13
>
> Checking the pedigrees at Sorenson database for the H7 haplotypes, I can now
> confirm a strong preference for family origins in Sweden or Finland!
>
> H7 should then geographically be distinquished from "Ultra-Norse" H5 = 14, 23,
> 14, 15, 8, 13 at the same markers in that H5 shows a clear preference for Norway
> in its geographical distribution although it is well present in Sweden and
> Finland as well. H7 was not significantly present with Norwegian origins.
>
> I changed the H7 DYS 462 from "13" to "12" and as expected got a series of
> matches on Sorenson with origins from all over the places in Europe with
> substantial I1a and no particular concentration in Fenno-Scandinavia. This
> indicates that the DYS 462 = 12 version of such haplotypes consists of mainly
> random mutations from the other DYS 462 = 12 varieties found throughout Germany,
> Netherlands, Denmark, and then on up into southern Sweden and Norway.
>
> Ken
>

[AngelaC]

> This variety which I will call H7 is 15, 23, 14, 14, 8, 13 at DYS 19, 390,
> 385a,b, 455, 462 (the last two markers are not available at YHRD)
>

> Ken
>

Hi Candy,

Ken appears to be talking about a cluster of Y-DNA I1a that hes called "H7", and not the mtDNA haplogroup H7.

As for the Geographical origins of mtDNA H7, - the scientific breakdown of mtDNA haplogroup H is just in its infancy, and there are very few populations that have had haplogroup H subclades tested adequately. I think we'll need to wait until there are many more population studies testing the subclades before we have a better idea.
My fathers mtDNA is most likely to be H7, so this is something that is of personal interest to me as well.

Angela.

[candy]

Thank you for your reply. After reading more closely, I realized you are right. Ken was not speaking of mtdna. I know not many that have been tested have come back as H7, but It has been about a year since I had the subclade test done and came back as H7. I know I have to be patient and take a "wait and see" attitude. I'm afraid it will be years before I have an answer. Thanks again for your replies.

[HapJ1]

About mtDNA H7

I am also H7. This was sent to me by Mr Ian Logan who's done some research on this sub-clade. It seems right to me because my mother's family is Italian.

H7 is a nice little subgroup of Haplogroup H, and I suggest it is about 5% of H;
and this would make about H7 about 1-2% of all Europeans.

I tend to think of Haplogroup H coming into Europe via the Mediterranean
about 50,000 years ago; and some people suggest H people stayed in the warmth of Spain, Italy & Greece in the last glacial periods before spreading
northwards.

Anyway I don't think one can really say any more about H7 from our present
knowledge,than to say it is still more common in the Spanish and Italian countries than in the Anglo-Saxon north of Europe.

[M.O'Connor]

I've yet to refine my mtdna Haplo-H to see if I have a sub-group.

My maternal line is from Scotland. Supposedly H branched from France with the retreating glaciers of the last Ice Age.

[Eki]

I have just read a recent paper regarding subclades. It lists H7 as being from Sweden and Finland. This makes sense to me knowing a little about my maternal great-grandmothers background. Has anyone else read this?
Does FTDNA know yet if this is true? Any help would be much appreciated.
It has been a long time since I had the subclade test done without a definate answer.

I'm from Finland, and so is my maternal line (as far as I know). I haven't tested for any subclades, but the only H-sublcades that I match seem to be H1b. The H-haplogroup seems to be very evenly distributed in Europe. I just have 1 match from any country, except 2 from Ireland:

H
Germany
-
1

H
Great Britain
-
1

H
Hungary
-
1

H
Ireland
-
2

H
Scotland
-
1

H
Switzerland
-
1

H
United Kingdom
-
1

H
United States
-
1

H
Unknown Origin
-
10

H
Wales
-
1

H1b
Germany
-
1

H1b
Norway
-
1

H1b
Poland
-
1

U4
Unknown Origin
-
1

[Jim Denning]

I have just read a recent paper regarding subclades. It lists H7 as being from Sweden and Finland. This makes sense to me knowing a little about my maternal great-grandmothers background. Has anyone else read this?
Does FTDNA know yet if this is true? Any help would be much appreciated.
It has been a long time since I had the subclade test done without a definate answer.

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my son is h7

he has 2000+ matches

h7 got around