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But 23andMe doesn't do y-DNA STR testing - you'll get a haplogroup estimate based on SNPs, but that's all.
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"You may like the changes that are on the way. Maybe within a month or two."
Bennet had alluded to something good that is down the pike, so if it's good for us then great!
"I have a project member tested to Y-DNA67. NO matches listed anywhere at any level. This is the fault of us the customer, not the fault of FTDNA. We need to encourage people from the right areas to order kits.[/QUOTE]
I never said the FTDNA was at fault for that. No one is, it's the risk that is involved. With that said, now that I am going to test with 23andMe, perhaps something will come up there. The price point is a terrific value at $99.
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Originally posted by Zaru View PostThis is what frustrates me the most about FTDNA's system. We have "RAO Matches", "My Matches", "FF Matches", "Project Matches", and they are very difficult to triangulate.
Originally posted by Zaru View PostFor my Y Line I have never had one significant match, so like many, this is a painstaking operation.
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Originally posted by Jim Barrett View PostI believe you need to match on many more markers before you get excited about a match. Many exact 12 marker matches will disappear when they go to 25 or 37 markers.
If you have elected to compare against the entire database and your match has also agreed to compare against the entire database they'll show up in your Y-DNA matches. Both of you must have also selected to see 12 marker matches for them to show up in your Y-DNA matches.
A person doesn't have to be in a project. If the match isn't in one you won't find him in one.
Have you tried contacting FTNDA and asking them to help you contact the match?
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Exactly! and to add...
Originally posted by Jim Barrett View PostI believe you need to match on many more markers before you get excited about a match. Many exact 12 marker matches will disappear when they go to 25 or 37 markers.
If you have elected to compare against the entire database and your match has also agreed to compare against the entire database they'll show up in your Y-DNA matches. Both of you must have also selected to see 12 marker matches for them to show up in your Y-DNA matches.
A person doesn't have to be in a project. If the match isn't in one you won't find him in one.
Have you tried contacting FTNDA and asking them to help you contact the match?
I have a 24/25 match for my paternal grandfather's line, who was black (which currently is quite under represented in the database) and the match will not respond to my emails! He is a partner in a law firm, I found that out after "researching" him, and for all intents and purposes, he is still employed and had the same email address. That is quite frustrating....
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Originally posted by migoblu View PostI'm trying find Projects for matches in the RECENT ANCESTRAL ORIGINS (RAO) database.
Do these One Step Mutations under the 12 Marker Y-DNA Matches mean that I.m related to these matches? If yes, how to I find these matches in the FTDNA Projects? Thanks for any help.
If you have elected to compare against the entire database and your match has also agreed to compare against the entire database they'll show up in your Y-DNA matches. Both of you must have also selected to see 12 marker matches for them to show up in your Y-DNA matches.
A person doesn't have to be in a project. If the match isn't in one you won't find him in one.
Have you tried contacting FTNDA and asking them to help you contact the match?
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Originally posted by efgen View PostHmm, why stuck? How many 12-marker and 25-marker matches do you have? And have you tried to email any of them yet?
Elise
12 Marker Y-DNA Matches:
Exact Matches:
Germany 1
Ireland 1
United Kingdom 1
12 Marker Y-DNA Matches
One Step Mutations:
England 12
Germany 3
Northern Ireland 1
Scotland 3
United Kingdom 3
Wales 1
25 Marker Y-DNA Matches
Exact Matches
United Kingdom 1
37 Marker Y-DNA Matches
Two Step Mutations:
United Kingdom 1
67 Marker Y-DNA Matches
3 Step Mutations:
United Kingdom 1
Do these One Step Mutations under the 12 Marker Y-DNA Matches mean that I.m related to these matches? If yes, how to I find these matches in the FTDNA Projects?
Thanks for any help.
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Originally posted by efgen View PostHmm, why stuck? How many 12-marker and 25-marker matches do you have? And have you tried to email any of them yet?
Elise
12 Marker Y-DNA Matches:
Exact Matches:
Germany 1
Ireland 1
United Kingdom 1
12 Marker Y-DNA Matches
One Step Mutations:
England 12
Germany 3
Northern Ireland 1
Scotland 3
United Kingdom 3
Wales 1
25 Marker Y-DNA Matches
Exact Matches
United Kingdom 1
37 Marker Y-DNA Matches
Two Step Mutations:
United Kingdom 1
67 Marker Y-DNA Matches
3 Step Mutations:
United Kingdom 1
Do these One Step Mutations under the 12 Marker Y-DNA Matches mean that I.m related to these matches? If yes, how to I find these matches in the FTDNA Projects?
Thanks for any help.
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Originally posted by migoblu View PostThanks for clarifying the RAO, I didn't know that. I'm new to all this DNA stuff and I'm learning every day. So, I guess I'm stuck until someone else does a DNA test that matches me. Thanks for the info,
John
Elise
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Originally posted by efgen View PostIt's not possible to search FTDNA's complete database.
However, the info on the RAO page comes directly from your matches, so this person should be listed on your Matches page, where names and email addresses of all your matches are provided.
There are a few exceptions to this:
1) Research samples (ie, not customers)
2) Customers who did not sign the release for FTDNA to share their name/email
3) Customers who have unchecked the boxes on their User Preferences page to hide certain levels of matching
It's not possible to know exactly which person on the Matches page is the person on the RAO page, since they're not cross-referenced. So the best thing to do is just email your exact matches and ask which one has ancestry from the UKOf course, this is only feasible if you have a few matches -- it's not feasible for people who have hundreds of matches.
Also, just a point of clarification... an entry of United Kingdom on the RAO page doesn't necessarily mean that the customer lives in the UK. The RAO page provides country of origin for the most distant known ancestor. So the person can live in some other country, but list the UK as the origin of their paternal line. You might already have known this, but it wasn't clear from the way that you worded the question.
Elise
John
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Originally posted by Stevo View PostI don't know. Like I said in the post above, my most distant known y-dna ancestor is my ggg-grandfather, who was born in 1804 in Wheeling, West Virginia. The holy grail of my own genealogical quest is to find my immigrant y-dna ancestor.
I am R-L21, which is extremely common in the British Isles, especially Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. My 65/67 out-of-surname match hails from a part of the West Midlands right along the Welsh border.
Linda
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Originally posted by migoblu View PostOn the RECENT ANCESTRAL ORIGINS (RAO) database, it shows an exact match for my DNA at the 12 and 25 marker levels for an individual in the United Kingdom. How do I find this individual in the FTDNA database of Projects?
However, the info on the RAO page comes directly from your matches, so this person should be listed on your Matches page, where names and email addresses of all your matches are provided.
There are a few exceptions to this:
1) Research samples (ie, not customers)
2) Customers who did not sign the release for FTDNA to share their name/email
3) Customers who have unchecked the boxes on their User Preferences page to hide certain levels of matching
It's not possible to know exactly which person on the Matches page is the person on the RAO page, since they're not cross-referenced. So the best thing to do is just email your exact matches and ask which one has ancestry from the UKOf course, this is only feasible if you have a few matches -- it's not feasible for people who have hundreds of matches.
Also, just a point of clarification... an entry of United Kingdom on the RAO page doesn't necessarily mean that the customer lives in the UK. The RAO page provides country of origin for the most distant known ancestor. So the person can live in some other country, but list the UK as the origin of their paternal line. You might already have known this, but it wasn't clear from the way that you worded the question.
Elise
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Originally posted by Peacock100 View PostStevo,
This is interesting. Assuming you are from the USA, when did your earliest direct male ancestor migrate to the USA?
Linda
I am R-L21, which is extremely common in the British Isles, especially Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. My 65/67 out-of-surname match hails from a part of the West Midlands right along the Welsh border.
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Originally posted by JPHutchins View PostHave you considered a NPE or undisclosed adoption on either of your sides. I know others look at other factors, but as an adoptee, I tend to drift towards looking at adoption or NPE.
As many will attest to, a lot of adoptions are still being kept secret. Those are hard, but not impossible to uncover.
To a degree I was lucky as I knew of my adoption from the time I was about 4 or 5 years old.
That 65/67 match with a different surname was born and raised in England, and his family, as far as he knows, has always lived in the West Midlands of England.
My y-dna line has been in North America since at least 1804, when my ggg-grandfather was born in Wheeling, West Virginia (part of Virginia back then).
But there are a lot of folks with my surname in the West Midlands.
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Originally posted by Stevo View PostI have a 65/67 match with a man born in England that started out as an exact 25-marker match in Ancestral Origins. The man did not show up on my Y-DNA Matches page because he has his own preferences set to show only matches in his own surname project.
I wrote FTDNA and asked them to forward an email to him. If he responded, great, if not, I was no worse off. FTDNA forwarded my email to him, and he answered it. I paid for his upgrade first to 37 markers and then to 67 markers.
The match is still something of a mystery to me, since he and I do not share the same surname, and I cannot find where our ancestors crossed paths.
As many will attest to, a lot of adoptions are still being kept secret. Those are hard, but not impossible to uncover.
To a degree I was lucky as I knew of my adoption from the time I was about 4 or 5 years old.
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