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Originally posted by msc_44 View Post
... clearly mixed African and European ...Last edited by Mudgeeclarke; 5 December 2011, 03:13 PM.
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Originally posted by msc_44 View Postthe women in the picture is clearly mixed African and European what would be considered as Mulatto on old census records.
(Having seen another posted photo of an EEuro Jewish family with a distinctly "African-looking" female I have no problem with "dark Jew").
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Specificity of the Family Finder
Thanks for the recommendation. At this point I'm really trying to hone-in on a tidbit of Margretha's history. In her picture she appears to be of some African origin, however, I know she came from Prussia in the late 1850's or very early 1860s (prior to the Civil War). That being said, I could not find any reference to African's living in Prussia during this time. Then the family stories that say she was a dark-skinned Jewish person and we know her maiden name was Schneider. Would the Family Finder be as specific for finding Margretha's background when I have a direct female to female to female to female line to test? thanks
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Originally posted by QUARTET View PostWould the Family Finder be as specific for finding Margretha's background when I have a direct female to female to female to female line to test?
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Originally posted by QUARTET View PostThanks for the recommendation. At this point I'm really trying to hone-in on a tidbit of Margretha's history. In her picture she appears to be of some African origin, however, I know she came from Prussia in the late 1850's or very early 1860s (prior to the Civil War). That being said, I could not find any reference to African's living in Prussia during this time. Then the family stories that say she was a dark-skinned Jewish person and we know her maiden name was Schneider. Would the Family Finder be as specific for finding Margretha's background when I have a direct female to female to female to female line to test? thanks
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50/50 chance
Someone on this thread mentioned that if Margaretha's mother was of European decent and the father was of African decent then nothing significant would show up...a 50/50 chance---isn't the mtDNA from F to F? The "NO" answer wouldn't be conclusive......Is this a correct assumption? Seems like sort of a gamble but I would like to start with something.
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yes if her mother was European then the mtdna will be European and if her father was African then the ydna will be African. There is another example that both her parents were mixed too so it would make it even harder to find mtdna or ydna that match African both might register as European.Last edited by msc_44; 6 December 2011, 04:33 PM.
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Originally posted by QUARTET View PostSomeone on this thread mentioned that if Margaretha's mother was of European decent and the father was of African decent then nothing significant would show up...a 50/50 chance---isn't the mtDNA from F to F? The "NO" answer wouldn't be conclusive......Is this a correct assumption? Seems like sort of a gamble but I would like to start with something.
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Family finder + mtDNA
My quandary is that if I purchase the Family Finder I would like to test myself---not my father's cousin. I just thought she would be the most direct line to test for information about Margretha's origin (the least know part of our family) and that the mtDNA would be the most direct test for the cousin to contribute to our family search. This is a great exercise for my two boys 15 and 13 also and I want them to continue with this quest.
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My guess is that she might very well be Jewish or have some Jewish ancestry. Then again, it is not uncommon for northern Europeans or northern European immigrants years ago to refer to a person darker than themselves as black or Jewish. I have heard of the use of the terms "white Jew" and "black Jew" (a derogatory term) used by Germans in the WWII era. From my own childhood, I can remember an otherwise nice Norwegian lady refer to a dark-haired fellow church member with an olive complexion as a "black man" (I think he was a French-Canadian person).
One thing to remember too: Prussia, and eventually, the German Empire, consisted of many ethnicities. Berlin was especially a cosmopolitan mix.
People of direct African origin did live in Germany, but after Germany acquired African colonies in the 19th century. Most disappeared in the holocaust.
About mitochondrial or even Y haplogroups of African origin: That in itself would not necessarily be solid evidence of a recent African ancestor. Hitler (an ethnic Austrian) had a Y haplogroup of E, I believe. That is of African origin, a fact that would horrify the dictator if he were living today.
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