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  • Pseudo Rurikid from Poland

    Research by means of DNA-Genealogy has revealed forgery and falsification in family tree Princes of Russian Empire. Appeared that rank Rurikovich was appropriated by representatives Polish-Lithuanian Szlyahta, becoming Princes in XVII-XIX centuries at House of Romanov's. It Princes Vadbolsky’s,Gagarin’s,Kropotkin’s,Putyatin’s,Puzyn a’s,Rzhevsky’s,Khilkov’s,Shahovskoy’s,etc. Actually they are descendants of the Lithuanian Grand Prince Olgerd Dovmotovich from the Sort of Russ however legendary Rurik it Princes have only status of cousins. In clause true genes and surnames Rurikovich’s-Horde’s-Monomakhshich’, to exposed reprisals and ignoring of 400 years are determined. The history of Russ and Russia requires an establishment of true and to the termination of Distemper within the framework of celebrating in 2012 of the 1150-anniversary of origin of the Russian statehood. 19-29.07.2011.
    Link to clause: http://kubarev.ru/en/content/309.htm
    Last edited by Kubarev; 3 August 2011, 05:51 AM.

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    Picture:
    http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/1108/f9/fb53371f3fcf.jpg
    http://s002.radikal.ru/i198/1108/7c/17a9fba21eb7.jpg

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    • #3
      This matter is highly specialized, and requires knowledge of both DNA results and Eastern European (paper) genealogy. Have you discussed your views with the administrator of the Rurikid Dynasty Project?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lgmayka View Post
        This matter is highly specialized, and requires knowledge of both DNA results and Eastern European (paper) genealogy. Have you discussed your views with the administrator of the Rurikid Dynasty Project?
        Of corse. But they ignore truth.

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        • #5
          Special for you Pseudo_Rurikid, pure descendant of Olgerd Dovmontovich, but not Olgerd Gediminivich. His name Nikolay Rusu from Romania. http://www.ysearch.org/alphalist_vie...wuid=VGFYK&p=0
          Haplotype VGFYK.
          14 23 14 11 11 13 11 12 10 14 14 30 18 9 9 11 12 25 14 19 28 14 14 15 15
          11 11 18 20 14 15 16 19 34 34 15 10 11 8 15 18 8 8 10 8 11 10 12 20 22 14 10 12
          12 19 7 14 21 21 14 12 11 10 11 11 12 11
          Distance only 5 !!!!! Mutations from PRESENT Rurikids - Vadbolsky, Khilkov, Rzhevsky, Putyatin and others.
          He is as Monomakhshich from Romania.
          However he is Olgerdovich Dovmontovich.
          He is the descendant of Jagiellon dynasty in Hungary - Romania.
          The reference: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagiellonowie
          Russian page: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%...BE%D0%BD%D1%8B
          And here it is direct the Middle Ages веет.
          Rusu the "strange" relative of Poland-Lithuanian Rurikid. But as it was kept is directly though in his tsars for Russian people !

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          • #6
            Jagiellonian patrilineal descendants are more often known by the more general term Gediminids (to include the Lithuanian royal family prior to that country's union with Poland). We have found a genetic cluster that appears to correspond to the Gediminids. One member ordered a Walk Through the Y (WTY) test, which found two mutations (L149.2 and L551) which appear to correspond almost exactly to the Gediminid descendants. The Polish-Lithuanian Project lists this clade as N1c1 - L149.2+ L551+ .

            The Russian Nobility Project lists a cluster called Rurikid N1c1. One member of this cluster has ordered a WTY test. He is hoping to find a mutation corresponding to the Rurikids, just as the Gediminids did. As you mentioned, Rusu of Romania apparently belongs to this cluster.

            Are you asserting that this cluster does not actually represent Rurik's patrilineal descendants? If so, do you have the DNA results of someone whom you believe to represent the genuine Rurikid lineage?

            One point of clarification: Y-DNA results are not generally precise enough to distinguish among close patrilineal relatives. For example, we cannot generally detect the difference between descent from Gediminas vs. descent from his father's brother's son.

            By the way, there is a very popular DNA forum that, although generally in English, includes a Russian-language section. You might feel more comfortable posting in that section of that forum. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm permitted to mention the name of that forum here.
            Last edited by lgmayka; 6 August 2011, 08:30 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lgmayka View Post
              By the way, there is a very popular DNA forum that, although generally in English, includes a Russian-language section.
              This is the forum, and this is the Russian-language section.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lgmayka View Post
                Are you asserting that this cluster does not actually represent Rurik's patrilineal descendants? If so, do you have the DNA results of someone whom you believe to represent the genuine Rurikid lineage?
                Larry, in his prior posts, he claims he's the Grand Prince of all Russia, and his website claims Alexander the Great, Jesus, Mohammed, and Genghis Khan were all N1c1. Logic won't help in this argument.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nathanm View Post
                  his website claims Alexander the Great, Jesus, Mohammed, and Genghis Khan were all N1c1. Logic won't help in this argument.
                  Chuckle. Thank you. I won't spend any more time with this then.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nathanm View Post
                    Larry, in his prior posts, he claims he's the Grand Prince of all Russia, and his website claims Alexander the Great, Jesus, Mohammed, and Genghis Khan were all N1c1. Logic won't help in this argument.
                    Dear nathanm,
                    Your humour is groundless. I have written some books on this theme, last and more detailed refers to Vedas of Russ (2009) there 630 pages. Before it there was a book Vikings (2008), volume of 400 pages. Unfortunately, I cannot state to you in several posts a history of all world which was forged by masons. Link to Vedas of Russ: http://kubarev.ru/en/content/251.htm

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