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    Does anyone know if the DNA of the Hebrew ancestors Abraham and Sarah, Issac and Leah, or Jacob has been tested? Seems to me if they wanted to find
    the Haplogroups of the Jews they would be testing these ancient remains. Just a thought. I have looked all over the internet to find out if this has been done and if NOT then why??

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    To even attempt to open the purported tombs of these people could set off WWIII faster than anything else. If by some miracle they were to be opened without said war, then archeologists would have to find evidence that the people buried in the tombs (assuming there would be remains) are in fact the people supposedly buried there. Then there would have to be enough usable DNA for geneticists to extract in order to run the tests - and it's very uncommon to find any yDNA that survives thousands of years, so the analysis would likely be just the mtDNA of both females and males. If they got that far, then there would probably be years of disputes that the DNA was analyzed correctly, etc. I could go on....

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    • #3
      Opening their tombs is not needed. Avraham's decendants have already been tested. They belong to Haplogroup J and the decendants of E1b1b1a in ydna.
      Last edited by Taz85; 17 July 2011, 12:38 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Taz85 View Post
        Opening their tombs is not needed. Avraham's decendants have already been tested. They belong to Haplogroup J and the decendants of E1b1b1a in ydna.
        Something tells me not to pursue this, but I have to ask what evidence you have that Abraham became the direct paternal ancestor of males in two completely different haplogroups? Assuming that you believe the Biblical narrarive, are you positing that Isaac belonged to one haplogroup, and Ishmael to another? Not to mention that there are a lot of Jews, Arabs and other Semitic people who belong to other subclades of E-m35 and even other haplogroups who would take issue with your claim.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by vinnie View Post
          Something tells me not to pursue this, but I have to ask what evidence you have that Abraham became the direct paternal ancestor of males in two completely different haplogroups? Assuming that you believe the Biblical narrarive, are you positing that Isaac belonged to one haplogroup, and Ishmael to another? Not to mention that there are a lot of Jews, Arabs and other Semitic people who belong to other subclades of E-m35 and even other haplogroups who would take issue with your claim.
          Exactly!! OK the Kohan priests are N African and Im sure Moses's line if ever found was N African too. The Tribe of Judah originated out of Africa. Lets check where Egypt is on the map! If the Jews found their direct Y-DNA male line to the messiah you would have already heard about it.
          Last edited by Yaffa; 17 July 2011, 01:31 PM.

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            Originally posted by vinnie View Post
            Something tells me not to pursue this, but I have to ask what evidence you have that Abraham became the direct paternal ancestor of males in two completely different haplogroups? Assuming that you believe the Biblical narrarive, are you positing that Isaac belonged to one haplogroup, and Ishmael to another? Not to mention that there are a lot of Jews, Arabs and other Semitic people who belong to other subclades of E-m35 and even other haplogroups who would take issue with your claim.
            You answered your own question in this statement. The samaritans who are direct decendants of the israelites were tested. They were found to be hap J and their priests were hap e1b1b1a. They have the oldest records and oral traditions pointing themselves as direct decendants.

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            • #7
              African haplogroups are older than Middle Eastern Haplogroups. The Jewish messiah must descend from King David's male line. If the Messiah Y-DNA was actually found it would be big news and Bennett Greenspan would be the first to post it on this web. Just like the Kohan priests DNA was big news.

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                Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                Exactly!! OK the Kohan priests are N African and Im sure Moses's line if ever found was N African too. The Tribe of Judah originated out of Africa. Lets check where Egypt is on the map! If the Jews found their direct Y-DNA male line to the messiah you would have already heard about it.
                Yehuda was not born in africa, nor do the Hebrew people originate there. They didnt go down into egypt well after they were all born. Moshe was a Hebrew, his family was fron Midian in the area of Sinai.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                  African haplogroups are older than Middle Eastern Haplogroups. The Jewish messiah must descend from King David's male line. If the Messiah Y-DNA was actually found it would be big news and Bennett Greenspan would be the first to post it on this web. Just like the Kohan priests DNA was big news.
                  Im going by the biblical account, not science. The out of africa has been widely debated and up to today is in question.

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                  • #10
                    There is no proof. Israel was not a state until 1948. If you can prove where Moses was born and what his haplogroup might be on DNA, The world is waiting. It would be big news if actual proof was found. Obviously there are 2 different haplogroups involved You claim J while the Kohan priests claim African and African Haplogroups are older than Middle Eastern.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Taz85 View Post
                      Im going by the biblical account, not science. The out of africa has been widely debated and up to today is in question.
                      Science can sometimes disprove paper and I was always taught in Hebrew school they came out of Africa. Who's teachings are right?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                        There is no proof. Israel was not a state until 1948. If you can prove where Moses was born and what his haplogroup might be on DNA, The world is waiting. It would be big news if actual proof was found. Obviously there are 2 different haplogroups involved You claim J while the Kohan priests claim African and African Haplogroups are older than Middle Eastern.
                        The kohanim of Aharon are from hap J. The Kohanim of Levi are from E1b1b1a. Hap J is not even an african haplogroup.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Taz85 View Post
                          The kohanim of Aharon are from hap J. The Kohanim of Levi are from E1b1b1a. Hap J is not even an african haplogroup.
                          According to the Rabbi it's African. You can ask them. They would be the authority on the subject.

                          http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/1...wish-ness.html

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                            Science can sometimes disprove paper and I was always taught in Hebrew school they came out of Africa. Who's teachings are right?
                            My people are from the land of caanan. They did not originate in africa. We went DOWN into mitzrayim for food and we were taking as slaves for 430 Years until we were taking out and returned to our land. The land of caanan.

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                              Originally posted by Taz85 View Post
                              My people are from the land of caanan. They did not originate in africa. We went DOWN into mitzrayim for food and we were taking as slaves for 430 Years until we were taking out and returned to our land. The land of caanan.
                              There are Jews who have haplogroup J but does not mean this is where the original tribe or the original blood lines came from. If your Jewish than you know its a mother clan religion. Your mother must be Jewish or you must convert through micvah.

                              Like Vinnie pointed out many other Middle Eastern groups share same DNA with people who claim to be Jewish. If you watched the last national geographic DNA dvd there are Muslim and Jews who share same Y-DNA male lines. Cousins practicing 2 different religions!!!!!

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