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**EBurgess** · 31 January 2005, 09:38 PM

I think your best bet is to find another person in your known family to test. Preferably someone as distantly related as possible. This will confirm your results to the common ancestor you both share.

In my opinion 12-markers is not enough to draw any conclusions about where your family is from in recent history. Perhaps your ancestry 500 years ago lived in Germany but then moved to England and lived there for 400 who is to say!

The true value of these tests are when they are compared to other people of the same surname. So I think that testing 25 or even 37 markers will leave you dissatisfied unless you are able to compare these to another Locke.

Your Maternal grandfathers ancestry has no bearing whatsoever on your Y-chromosme test.

I wish you the best of luck, even if you have noone to compare to today chances are good you will have a match in the near future. By participating you open the door.

Regards,

E.

**GeoffHoward** · 31 January 2005, 10:30 PM

Donald,

Did they assign a Haplogroup to your results? Are you R1a?

I am of English descent and I have no English, and no British, matches. Most of my matches are in Germany and Poland. The major European Haplogroups, R1b, R1a, I, and J, are found in every European country. Your particular results are a Haplotype. Haplotype diversity is the rule, and most people do not have many exact matches, though some have many. It's all over the board. Don't read too much into it. There are very few country specific Haplotypes, and the jury is out even on that.

Regards,

Geoff Howard

**Donald Locke** · 1 February 2005, 11:14 AM

Thanks for the info, I am actively looking for my cousins to take the test. Money is the main issue why many are not willing to take the test right now.

They said I was in the H haplo group. But I am not sure if I believe that right now. I will upgrade to the 37 marker test and if needed, will order that Haplo test, because what they are showing now, just doesn't fit in at all with what my research shows.

The Germany to England does make since to me, because I know of several German Lock lines here in the USA alone. So I guess it is very possible they went from Germany to England then onto the USA ? lol

You both helped answer my question, thanks !

**Don Potter** · 1 February 2005, 12:34 PM

Mr Locke,
Is your H haplogroup on the mtDNA test or the Y-chromosome test?
Don Potter

**Jim Denning** · 1 February 2005, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Donald Locke

Test # 21343
My Lock(e) family is thought to have come from England. 2 old references in books state that fact. A land record was found in a family bible, which refered to land in England. But yet my test came back with no England ties, which I find strange. It came back strong on Germany, which my grand father on my mom's side is a German descendant.

Any thoughts ?

listen the database is miniscule yet and many lines havent been tested yet let alone twice
the german easily is anglo saxon wait til you get 100 matches with paper work
the picture might clear up
also the idea that there are irish english scotish only names is full of it
most names have european variants actually the british is probably the variant. but we tend to think we are the first. denning cogan dever and malone my four grandparental names are all variants of continental names no wonder you have german. just look at the ford project list lol

**GeoffHoward** · 1 February 2005, 04:25 PM

Donald,

Did you get a Y-DNA test or a mtDNA test?

I have not heard of Haplogroup H in Europe, and if your direct ancestors were in the States in 1700, I don't think any of them would have been a candidate for Y-DNA Haplogroup H.

If your mtDNA came out as H, then you would be part of a group that comprises half of Europeans and their descendants.

In your case, if we are talking about Y-DNA, I would definitely get an SNP test, which will confirm your Haplogroup.

Also, there have been cases of people in Britain, with no knowledge of any non-caucasian ancestors, that were in fact descended from people from different parts of the world. One had an African Y-DNA signature, which they think must have come over with the Romans. Another had Polynesian mtDNA, which must have come over as a result of a British soldier bringing home an offspring from a sailing voyage in past centuries. This does not make one any less a part of the group they identify with, it just makes the past a little more interesting :-)

Regards,

Geoff Howard

**Jim Barrett** · 1 February 2005, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Donald Locke

Test # 21343
My Lock(e) family is thought to have come from England. I am not sure what to believe? It also says India (424) - 3

One Step Mutations

India (424) - 6
India? That one is a shocker to me. Would upgrading to a 25 or 37 marker test possibly change the places of origins? Any thoughts ?

Donald,

3 out of 424 would be 0.7% and 6 out of 424 would be 1.4%. Neither of these are very high percentages. To me, your matches are of such small percentages they aren't worth thinking about. Ordering a 24 or 37 marker test won't change the prediction. A SNP test could, but before ordering it check with your project administrator to find out if the FTDNA prediction is "based on unambiguous results ". If it is FTDNA says, "we see no reason for ordering a SNP test to confirm the Haplogroup."

For those who asked, since he mentions upgrading to 25 or 37 markers, he must be talking about a Y-DNA test.

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