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  • Hold the phone! mtDNA results just in! NO MATCHES!

    So... I thought my paternal line - N1c1 was a bit unusual in these parts. How 'bout a maternal line L1 haplogroup? FTNDA reports "No matches." I uploaded to mitosearch and found 2 exact (HVR1) matches there, one from Ireland, the other from Uruguay.

    So apparently my mother was one of Eve's first two daughters, and has remained pristine ever since?

    Fascinating...

    HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C

  • #2
    well dwight there is a new study about the megalithic builders.. you know the
    "wood henges " stone henges , Msoura etc etc.. the unambiguous mtdna are U5b , N1 and X2b.. I sure wonder what those ambiguous ones are ! could it be abcd ?
    right now there is no clue who got to the new world , north africa or stayed in europe as compared to their ancient dna ...... but not many N1's left in europe or anywhere really . so it is their current "Big Mystery..." how might we have guessed that..

    so where did they all go? and who or what killed them all off... is the big question.

    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/08...om-france.html

    may kind of support the solutrean type theories, which are just kind of close. closer than Bering straits theory anyway.
    so what was it you thought your grandma was anyway?

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    • #3
      I am new to this testing but learning fast.
      Those are both rather unusual results.
      May I ask how these results reflect your genealogy ? Just wondering if you believe them to be accurate or believable .

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      • #4
        Hi Dwight

        Firstly, I want to say congratulations on getting your mtdna tested. The more the merrier!
        I wish more men would test both their ydna and mtdna and not just their ydna.

        Secondly, I want to say that if FTDNA says you have no matches, trust that. I have seen enough entries on mitosearch that look fake to me that I no longer trust what is on mitosearch. Some look like unintentional mistakes, such as listing only HVR1 but that list has HVR1&HVR2 in the HVR1 column, and entries claiming to be a specific subclade but with no differences from CRS at all (not possible), and so on. Some look like obvious and deliberate fakes and should be removed (such as the L1 entry D6SSA). Some look as if they are trying to look legit but have clues that they aren't.

        Thirdly, if you contact your Irish and Uruguayan matches, I hope they are genuine matches. Since they were already there when you created your mitosearch entry I think they may be genuine, but I am not certain.

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        • #5
          Why would I not think them believable? It certainly changes the 'game'. I'd considered my mother's side of the family tree to be well-documented, blue blood, and, frankly, boring. No challenges. Well, I can throw that idea out the window, now, can't I?

          Originally posted by Brunetmj View Post
          I am new to this testing but learning fast.
          Those are both rather unusual results.
          May I ask how these results reflect your genealogy ? Just wondering if you believe them to be accurate or believable .

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          • #6
            Rainbow,
            I started with the y-DNA test cuz that took direct aim at my total brick wall, my ggf whose past is largely unknown. I had no idea of the mysteries lying in wait on my maternal line! If money were no object I would have tested my mtDNA much earlier on, I'm sure - as it is, it was only because of the bundled pricing FTDNA was offering on the Family Finder that allowed me the luxury of doing this. Honestly, I just figured I'd get the most mundane British Isles hg result and be done with it. Ha!

            Where do you see D6SSA? It's not in my mitosearch match list, that I see. And why would people make crap up? That seems a) weird and b) a helluva lot of trouble!


            Originally posted by rainbow View Post
            Hi Dwight

            Firstly, I want to say congratulations on getting your mtdna tested. The more the merrier!
            I wish more men would test both their ydna and mtdna and not just their ydna.

            Secondly, I want to say that if FTDNA says you have no matches, trust that. I have seen enough entries on mitosearch that look fake to me that I no longer trust what is on mitosearch. Some look like unintentional mistakes, such as listing only HVR1 but that list has HVR1&HVR2 in the HVR1 column, and entries claiming to be a specific subclade but with no differences from CRS at all (not possible), and so on. Some look like obvious and deliberate fakes and should be removed (such as the L1 entry D6SSA). Some look as if they are trying to look legit but have clues that they aren't.

            Thirdly, if you contact your Irish and Uruguayan matches, I hope they are genuine matches. Since they were already there when you created your mitosearch entry I think they may be genuine, but I am not certain.

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            • #7
              First I think Brunetmj was wanting to know if the test helped with proving anything that you know about your mothers line.

              Second I think Rainbow was writing about her search for her matches when she mentioned D6SSA or what ever it was.

              Third privacy could be why people are posting results with the wrong marker. One of my Y-Matches seem to be doing that. Also I was researching one of my Y matches family and came across a tree that had a picture so I looked it up. I noticed that they had posted what I thought was their DNA results. I compared theirs to mine and they were a 46 out of 46 match with me but was not showing up as a match to me.

              I contacted the owner of the tree and gave them my results they came back and said we were not even close to being a match but I could see from the results posted that we were a match. I contacted Ancestry and told them about the match and wanted to know what was going on.

              I read off the results that were posted for that person to the lady on the phone and she compared them to my results and to the other results. It turned out that they were related to one of my matches and they some how must have seen my results and posted them to their person.

              Some people got a lot of never don't they.

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              • #8
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                Why would I not think them believable?
                Because I am new I am unsure how helpful DNA testing is as a method to determine ancestry with any degree of certainty.
                By questioning others it helps me to have more faith or to maintain my doubts.
                My intent was only to gauge your satisfaction with your results and nothing more. Sorry if it offended

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                • #9
                  Oh, dear. No, no offense was taken at all. I was just underscoring my belief that you follow the data where they lead you. Was I surprised? Absolutely. Unbelieving? Not at all. Human beings are human beings - they do and have, since forever, mated and produced offspring for all kinds of reasons, good, bad, kind, cruel, in love, and with hate... openly (in wedlock and out) and secretly (mostly out of wedlock, one presumes). None of this surprises me. I think we should all expect the unexpected when overturning stones

                  Originally posted by Brunetmj View Post
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                  Why would I not think them believable?
                  Because I am new I am unsure how helpful DNA testing is as a method to determine ancestry with any degree of certainty.
                  By questioning others it helps me to have more faith or to maintain my doubts.
                  My intent was only to gauge your satisfaction with your results and nothing more. Sorry if it offended

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                  • #10
                    I saw the fake entry D6SSA while looking at the long mtdna L1 list generated after selecting "All regions".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Brunetmj View Post
                      I am new to this testing but learning fast.
                      Those are both rather unusual results.
                      May I ask how these results reflect your genealogy ? Just wondering if you believe them to be accurate or believable .

                      Ydna and mtDNA test results are usually accepted as is by everyone, especially if it's done by FTDNA. As far as I know, FTDNA is the only company that does the mtdna FGS test.
                      Mix-ups and errors have happened, but rarely. I know of one man who FGS tested and knew his mtdna was a C (a subclade of C). He later tested with 23andme and 23andme got it wrong and said he was an M.


                      The dna tests that you will see some people dismiss out of disbelief or argue about are the admixture autosomal dna tests (SNPs and/or STRs).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dwight View Post
                        So... I thought my paternal line - N1c1 was a bit unusual in these parts. How 'bout a maternal line L1 haplogroup? FTNDA reports "No matches." I uploaded to mitosearch and found 2 exact (HVR1) matches there, one from Ireland, the other from Uruguay.
                        When I tested my Uncle for my paternal line, there were no matches for his haplogroup E1b1a. I haven't loaded his info into the mitosearch but will do so to see what happens.

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                        • #13
                          Mitosearch is for mitochondrial dna (mtDNA).
                          Ysearch is for the male line YDNA.

                          YDNA haplogroup E is not the same as MTDNA haplogroup E.

                          You can add your paternal uncle's ydna to ysearch. And you can add (click on "create new user") your mtdna to mitosearch.

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