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    I've had the Y STR done at 67 about 5 years back, w/o any statistically significant matches since. Theoretically I know that anything over GD of 7 at this resolution doesn't mean anything, but I've noticed what seems like an interesting set of circumstances in my "near matches". Please add your thoughts if you think you can shed light based on experience or have some insight.

    Like I said, no statistically significant matches. However, my closest "near matches" (ie, GD of 12 at 67) also happen to be each others' closest matches.

    Additionally, when I set up a partial 'slow marker' haplotype based on my reported values, both of these guys seem to be among the closest fits--GD 2 at 38. This may not be too magical, though, as I have a couple tighter fits on the 'slow marker' haplotype. It may be worth noting, however, that those tighter fits drop off the scale w/ enormous GD's at my full haplotype.

    Yeah, not much to write home about. Seems even less impressive when you consider that the "near matches" are GD 8 at 67 from each other and don't even share a common surname. However, it gets a little more interesting (maybe) if you believe their self-reported family legends:
    "Near match A" appears to have immigrated from a specific section of a specific county in the north of Ireland, c. 1650. This surname is normally considered of lowland Scots origin.

    "Near match B" has a wicked old west country England surname--but has the legend of an NPE event, that their biological ancestor had an old Irish surname very similar-sounding to that of "Near match A". Census records show that the claim of Irish origin for this family, its odd and completely unmistakeable Anglo name notwithstanding, is at least as old as 1880. There's some additional colour to the story, saying that the ancestor spoke Irish as his first language, so origin in the same neighborhood as "Near match A" seems plausible for the mid-1800s--though not if the odd Anglo name were correct. No tithe or Griffiths' mention of the odd Anglo name outside the thoroughly anglicized areas of East Ulster.

    The idea of these guys having a common origin in northwest Ireland seems broadly consistent with my own family's supposed origins. Surprisingly, paper trail hints (ie, don't know if I'm looking at the right people yet) suggest immigration from the far south of Ireland, though the surname is a well-known one overwhelmingly associated with the same neighborhood "Near match A" comes from. An armorial grave monument of one family member bears the arms of the northern family--so perhaps they migrated south in 17th century.

    And, I repeat: None of us shares a common surname. "Near match B"s legend gives their biological ancestor a name very similar sounding name as "Near match A", but that's it. Miles away from the name I myself am searching. And my GD is 12 to each of them, and they're 8 to each other.

    So, any thoughts? Or just too many scattered pieces? Sadly, this is all I have to work with.
    Last edited by Frederator; 26 January 2011, 11:42 PM.

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    I can't solve your puzzle but I think you are on to something and it is interesting. You and your distant matches are distantly related. A GD or 8 or 12 is most likely from before when most people took surnames. People certainly do ping-pong (migrate). My ancestors and relatives have ping-ponged a lot (states, countries, continents) and so have many other people. I think you are lucky that your ydna line is confined to ping-ponging within the British Isles.