Determining Native American Ancestry

[Yaffa]

apparently you did not read my previous posts. All my mother line ancestors all the way back are listed as Indian in Records. MT DNA can go back very far or really close depending on what your paper reads.

You seem to only have a % test that is not accepted. I think you need to take your own advice about the bogus story which I do not have but seems you might. The tribe you claim is not accepting your paper proof and your angry that they will not accept you as a tribal member. I have seen your type many type before.Rewriting Indian history and telling other people who they are when you yourself have no proof who you are. If your grandmother was a tribal member then you should be but you obviously are not.

Im done with this ridiculous conversation!

[msc_44]

apparently you did not read my previous posts. All my mother line ancestors all the way back are listed as Indian in Records. MT DNA can go back very far or really close depending on what your paper reads.

You seem to only have a % test that is not accepted. I think you need to take your own advice about the bogus story which I do not have but seems you might. The tribe you claim is not accepting your paper proof and your angry that they will not accept you as a tribal member. I have seen your type many type before.Rewriting Indian history and telling other people who they are when you yourself have no proof who you are. If your grandmother was a tribal member then you should be but you obviously are not.

Im done with this ridiculous conversation!

You just seem to want to argue why I told you I have proof and you want to argue. I know now you have proof too but yours didn't have a card mine did, so its seems your the one mad you cant register. I can care less about registering I just want to know how much all my ancestors had.

[Yaffa]

And if your ancestor was adopted and paper was fudged there is nothing you can do but move on. many tribal members were given away outside the tribe and why the tribes fought for an Indian Child Welfare Act. This did not come into effect until 1977 where no tribal member could be given up for adoption without the tribes approval. For all those who were born before 1977 and had their adoptions fudged there not much you can do about it unless you can come up with some kind of court document to prove some of the paper was fudged.

[Yaffa]

You just seem to want to argue why I told you I have proof and you want to argue. I know now you have proof too but yours didn't have a card mine did, so its seems your the one mad you cant register. I can care less about registering I just want to know how much all my ancestors had.

Im not looking for a card. Your the one who is talking card

[Yaffa]

If anyone on here has their ancestors listed on Indian rolls and your ancestor was actually a tribal member their records would list blood % so there would be no need for anyone to take a % test or any kind of DNA.

[msc_44]

If anyone on here has their ancestors listed on Indian rolls and your ancestor was actually a tribal member their records would list blood % so there would be no need for anyone to take a % test or any kind of DNA.

that blood percent was not what the Indian said they was or were its what ever the person recording it thought they were there's a big difference so that percent has nothing to do with what they were some might be accurate but most were way wrong.

[rainbow]

@ gijoeinfinity

@ gijoeinfinity

Hopefully your grandmother's FF matches will eventually communicate with you. FTDNA's FF is going to have percentages soon, and Population Finder. I read that it will be ready in a few weeks. That means you'll soon know what her percentages are.

I wish my paternal grandmother took a percentage test. She refused.
She refused to communicate with me. She died last November. If my 17% from AncestryByDNA is accurate, it would be from her side.

I didn't know you were already way ahead of me on mtdna. I'm glad you already know her MTDNA haplogroup. H1 is European. I was H1 until I did the FGS, and am now H1c. But who knows, maybe the mtdna line was from a kidnapped woman who was adopted into an Indian tribe.


I know what you mean about censuses. My GGGG Grandmother (my H1c line) was listed in only one census. The census lists her as 75 when she was 91. Either the census taker took a polite guesstimate (didn't ask) or she or her grandson-in-law didn't give the correct age.

[Yaffa]

that blood percent was not what the Indian said they was or were its what ever the person recording it thought they were there's a big difference so that percent has nothing to do with what they were some might be accurate but most were way wrong.

I have seen applications where the person claiming gave their own blood %. Whether they were accurate or not, when you registered with the tribe they use what was written down on those final rolls and in the applications. No DNA test will change % of what is listed on tribal records and no DNA test can prove what the actual % might have been. Even much harder to calculate if you have admixture.

[msc_44]

I have seen applications where the person claiming gave their own blood %. Whether they were accurate or not, when you registered with the tribe they use what was written down on those final rolls and in the applications. No DNA test will change % of what is listed on tribal records and no DNA test can prove what the actual % might have been. Even much harder to calculate if you have admixture.

no one said anything about changing whats on the rolls I'm just stating there far from accurate like you stated and that the percent is useless when its wrong there is nothing wrong by getting a second opinion and that's were dna comes in at least it will give you a closer number, because you cant just look at someone and say your 50% Indian but there 100% Indian or say there 25% when there 100% and so on that's why you cant predict what some one is by skin color.

[Yaffa]

no one said anything about changing whats on the rolls I'm just stating there far from accurate like you stated and that the percent is useless when its wrong there is nothing wrong by getting a second opinion and that's were dna comes in at least it will give you a closer number, because you cant just look at someone and say your 50% Indian but there 100% Indian or say there 25% when there 100% and so on that's why you cant predict what some one is by skin color.

All I can say is I would check into the % test a little bit further before you think it's accurate. One factor is they are not testing all your DNA when they give you a %. Different companies giving this test seem to come up with different % on same people tested. That is a problem if % tests turn up different with each company. We all inherit different DNA from our ancestors.

Example Your Grandmother is Indian. No 2 of her children will inherit the same DNA (unless Identical twins). Her children will then pass different DNA down to their children. And so on.

Lets say you have a brother- You and your brother will not have the same DNA. One of you could have inherited more Indian genes than the other from your grandmother.

Lets say your grandmothers % is wrong on the rolls, Now each person who descends form her may have inherited differernt genes form her so how can you get an accurate %?

And no you cant look at people and tell what they are. My full blooded Indian gave birth to a snow white baby ( my 1/2 uncle) . My Uncle was white as snow and 1/2 Indian and 1/2 English. Genetics can be funny.

[Yaffa]

PS: Me being around the Cherokee. These families knew each other for a long time. They knew who the full bloods were and who was mixed. As far as if they got the actual % right on the mixed some may have guessed. Not all spoke English and there may have been lack of communication. If you not only read your grandmothers application and read her possible siblings and parents and her husband ( if he was Indian ) you should be able to put enough story together on her line. They did connect all the family apps together

[GingerRSmith]

Determining Native American Ancestry

His father could MT-DNA test for his direct mother line as long as he has an unbroken chain of women going to direct mother line that you suspect is Indian. But if the Indian came from his mother's father this would not show up on his direct mother line.

Hi again Yaffa,

First of all, thank you again for all your helpful answers.

Ok, my next question is: Would you expect to get the same mtDNA results from a male who has a direct female line as you from the mtDNA from a direct female, say his mother, for example?
thanks
Ginger

[msc_44]

Lets say your grandmothers % is wrong on the rolls, Now each person who descends form her may have inherited differernt genes form her so how can you get an accurate %?

to easy test yourself and both of your parents then you can tell were what came from what and if your sibling wants to know what they have they would need to test because there's would be slightly different from yours but the results should still came out really close to your parents results.

for example

parent #1 50% european 30% native american 20% african american
Parent #2 100% european

child #1 75% european 15% native american 10% african american
child #2 75% european 13% native american 12% african american
child #3 72% european 17% native american 11% african american
child #4 71% european 20% native american 9% african american
child #5 75% european 15% native american 10% african american
child #6 74% european 18% native american 8% african american

etc

[Yaffa]

Hi again Yaffa,

First of all, thank you again for all your helpful answers.

Ok, my next question is: Would you expect to get the same mtDNA results from a male who has a direct female line as you from the mtDNA from a direct female, say his mother, for example?
thanks
Ginger

Your very welcome and yes you would get the same MT DNA results from male or female with and unbroken chain to the mother line you would be testing for. as long as there was no unknown adoption in your line. I MT DNA tested with my Grandmother's brother. We both share same direct mother line and we match exact on MT DNA.

[Yaffa]

Lets say your grandmothers % is wrong on the rolls, Now each person who descends form her may have inherited differernt genes form her so how can you get an accurate %?

to easy test yourself and both of your parents then you can tell were what came from what and if your sibling wants to know what they have they would need to test because there's would be slightly different from yours but the results should still came out really close to your parents results.

for example

parent #1 50% european 30% native american 20% african american
Parent #2 100% european

child #1 75% european 15% native american 10% african american
child #2 75% european 13% native american 12% african american
child #3 72% european 17% native american 11% african american
child #4 71% european 20% native american 9% african american
child #5 75% european 15% native american 10% african american
child #6 74% european 18% native american 8% african american

etc

Are these your results or just your examples ? Have you tested with other companies and your % all comes out the same from one company to another.? Have you asked these companies who test % if they are testing ALL your DNA? With a % test they should be testing all your DNA not partial. With Y and MT DNA should all come out the same no matter what company you test with. I have tested with more than one company an my DNA is always the same.