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    What do you know about r1b1b2a1b5? When I review the list of matches on my haplotree page, a large portion of matches are listed as r1b1b2a1b5.

    Eupedia says the place where its most prevalent is Sweden and Scotland but its ancient origin is Germanic. Is it Germanic, Celtic or Iberian? There's so much info out there sometimes it gets a bit confusing.

    I'm still debating whether to do a deep clade testing...

  • #2
    Originally posted by dawer View Post
    What do you know about r1b1b2a1b5? When I review the list of matches on my haplotree page, a large portion of matches are listed as r1b1b2a1b5.

    Eupedia says the place where its most prevalent is Sweden and Scotland but its ancient origin is Germanic. Is it Germanic, Celtic or Iberian? There's so much info out there sometimes it gets a bit confusing.

    I'm still debating whether to do a deep clade testing...
    I'm not sure about the Eupedia info you're citing, but R1b1b2a1b5 on the YCC (Y Chromosome Consortium) Tree that FTDNA uses is the subclade characterized by the SNP L21.

    Here is a link to the Y-DNA Results page of the R-L21 Plus Project:

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    You should definitely order FTDNA's Deep Clade-R test, which you can do from the link on your Haplotree page where it says, "You Are Eligible For An Upgrade!", to find out if you are L21+.

    L21 is very common throughout NW Europe. It is extremely common in the British Isles, but it is oldest, thus far, in France, where it is also pretty common.

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    • #3
      http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origin...#R1b-subclades

      That's the link to the eupedia page. I'm still trying to make my mind up about further testing. I'm projected to be R1b1b2, but I only have two close matches at 25 markers, both from the UK, and I'm from Mexico.

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      • #4
        Note the subclades you are looking at in FTDNA and eupedia may not be the same numbers in the R1b series. The best thing to look at is the actual SNP number such as L or M numbers.

        Example my subclade on eupedia is R1b1b2a1b6b but on FTDNA it is R1b1b2a1b5b. By the SNP it is M222 in the L21 series.

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        • #5
          The fact that you are projected to be R1b1b2 means that your patriline is definitely European. Don't be surprised to learn that people with Spanish patrilines have reasonable close matches in the UK. Both Iberia & the British Isles were settled heavily by R1b1b2+ folk & have thus have a genetic affinity.

          Timothy Peterman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T E Peterman View Post
            The fact that you are projected to be R1b1b2 means that your patriline is definitely European. Don't be surprised to learn that people with Spanish patrilines have reasonable close matches in the UK. Both Iberia & the British Isles were settled heavily by R1b1b2+ folk & have thus have a genetic affinity.

            Timothy Peterman
            Thanks Tim for this reply and your earlier replies to my other question. I guess I'm trying to save some money so I was trying to figure out if I needed to do the Deep Clade testing or if those matches could tell me anything. It appears that I should do, based on yours and other peoples advice, but the prospect of spending nearly 100 dollars on a test that would tell me my ancestors are Iberian is not to appealing, since I would assume that to begin with -- and so I've been debating this.

            I have decided to go ahead and order the testing, as any info is better than nothing and so I will come seeking all of your wisdom when the results are in.

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            • #7
              Ordered my Deep Clade R test, awaiting results and I'll post the myriad of questions I'm sure to have once the results are in. I am looking forward to knowing for certain the exact place I fall under in the R1b1b2 haplotree

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              • #8
                I hope I might find some Family dna connections in Ireland.

                I figured I'd give it 10 years to find a close match.

                I'm about 5 years or so into the Hobby now.

                I am R1b1b2a1b5 ....L21+

                I tested for the R-L21 Downstream SNP Package and found out I am
                R-L159.2+

                PS..the L or M in the SNP name is a letter representing the Lab that discovered that SNP. I believe L is for FamilyTreedna.
                Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by M.O'Connor View Post
                  PS..the L or M in the SNP name is a letter representing the Lab that discovered that SNP. I believe L is for FamilyTreedna.
                  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                  You are correct:

                  IMS-JST = Institute of Medical Science-Japan Science and Technology Agency
                  L = Thomas Krahn, MSC (Dipl. Ing.) of Family Tree DNA's Genomics Research Center; snps named in honor of the late Leo Little
                  M = Peter Underhill, Ph.D. of Stanford University
                  N = The Laboratory of Bioinformatics, Institute of Biophysics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing
                  P = Michael Hammer, Ph.D. of University of Arizona
                  Page = David C. Page, Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research
                  PK = Biomedical and Genetic Engineering Laboratories, Islamabad, Pakistan
                  S = James F. Wilson, D.Phil. at Edinburgh University
                  U = Lynn M. Sims, University of Central Florida; Dennis Garvey, Ph.D. Gonzaga University; and Jack Ballantyne, Ph.D., University of Central Florida
                  V = Rosaria Scozzari and Fulvio Cruciani, Universit

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