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    Hi, I had my YDNA tested with National Geographic's Genographic project late last year, with the results placing me then in Haplogroup J2. I transferred my results to FTDNA and after a sending a couple of queries through to the extremely helpful team at FTDNA I received a Haplogroup confirmation test. My Haplogroup was then reassigned to D. What exactly is Haplogroup D? Does this suggest that one of my ancestors is a leftover from an archaic migration? Of which later formed the subtype D2 within the Japanese archipelago and D1 around the Tibetan plateau? My paternal ancestry is Cantonese (Chinese) from what I know...

    Searches on ysearch.org with the 12 DYS markers received from the Genographic project returned family names that were strangely Ashkenazi Jewish at a genetic distance of 2. In an attempt to get niggling answers to my questions, I purchased a YDNA 12 to 25 marker upgrade test off Family tree and updated my results on ysearch.org. Now performing a generic distance search on my own Haplogroup D on ysearch return genetic distances of 32, 6 and 12. Searches on a minimum of 25 markers return no matches, searches with at least 12 markers return a number of results but none closer than a genetic distance of 3. Strangely enough my "Ancestral origins" on FTNA shows a single 12 marker DNA match in Spain. So what exactly am I? And what is Haplogroup D?

    My userid on ysearch.org: CKRU4
    Last edited by ; 29 April 2010, 08:01 AM.

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    Sorry I meant to say Haplogroup D*

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    • #3
      Baz,

      I don't know anything about Hap D, but I did find a D2 "match" for you in ySearch, although the gd = 17. You can get very different results from ySearch depending on how you do the search. To see the one I found do the following: 1.) choose 25 markers for the first response; 2.) allow max gd of 1 per markers on 8; 3.) do not limit search by last name; 4.) choose D2 haplogroup. I checked all the other subclades of D as well and this is the only match I found.

      It's good that you upgraded to 25 markers, but I'd upgrade the deep clade test as well so you know exactly which subclade you're in; I'm assuming that FTDNA only did the free backbone haplogroup test for you. Of course, the biggest challenge you're facing is the relatively small number of Asian haplotypes in the databases. Perhaps someone else knows of a website dedicated to Asian genetic genealogy, and if not, why not think about starting one? By the way, the most relevant matches in the FTDNA database will be those you find under "matches" in the Haplotree page. If you have any matches that are not in the D haplogroup, disregard them.

      Vinnie

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      • #4
        Thanks Vinnie for the tip. Unfortunately I've been informed by Family tree that they are not able to provide deep clade tests for Haplogroup D* at this point in time.
        Last edited by ; 29 April 2010, 10:51 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Baz View Post
          I transferred my results to FTDNA and after a sending a couple of queries through to the extremely helpful team at FTDNA I received a Haplogroup confirmation test. My Haplogroup was then reassigned to D. What exactly is Haplogroup D?
          Good question. I had to look it up:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_D_%28Y-DNA%29

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          • #6
            "Matches" with people of different haplogroups are purely coincidental, so they should be discounted. The problem is that very few D people have tested, so you won't find much.

            As for haplogroup D, as you say, it is very frequent in Japan and in Tibet. But it is also present in Southeast Asia (ie southern China and Indochina). I was checking a paper by Shi et al (Y chromosome evidence of earliest modern human settlement in East Asia and multiple origins of Tibetan and Japanese populations), and he reports the presence of various forms of D throughout China and Indochina. For instance, Southern Hans are reported at about 1% D, Thais with even higher percentages. And these varieties are unrelated to the Japanese and probably many of the Tibetan ones too, so your being D doesn't mean your family comes from either area.

            While the percentages are small, when you multiply them by the number of Chinese people, that makes a big number.

            PM me if you cannot find the paper.

            cacio

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Baz View Post
              Thanks Vinnie for the tip. Unfortunately I've been informed by Family tree that they are not able to provide deep clade tests for Haplogroup D* at this point in time.
              Okay, so it seems that your SNPs have been fully tested, in which case you can disregard the one match I found in ySearch, since that person's in a different subclade than you are. All you can do is play the waiting game, and try to get more Asian-origin people to test. I'm working on my grandparents' villages little by little...

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              • #8
                Ydna mistakes

                J2 is actually a D? OMG!
                I shouldn't be the only person who is bothered about dna mistakes. How can the Genographic Project mess up like that? There must be a lot of other mistakes.

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                • #9
                  Hi Cacio and everyone else who has replied,

                  I've read the article at Shi et al which was very informative. Thank you. For anyone else interested in reading it its at http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7007/6/45

                  Looks like I have a straggler of an ancestor (Haplogroup D*) after all who was comfy with his area and stayed and whatmore I have some distant link to the negritos on the Andaman islands .

                  P.S. got my mtdna HVR1 results today.from family tree: Haplogroup F. Not as much of an eye opener I suppose but good to know


                  ysearch.org ID: CKRU4
                  mitosearch.org ID: CKRU4

                  HVR1: 16129A, 16162G, 16172C, 16304C, 16335G, 16356C, 16519C
                  Last edited by ; 30 April 2010, 06:40 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Hi Baz,

                    My family is of Cantonese origin too (as far as I can tell). I'm from Hong Kong.
                    My Y-chromosome deep clade test showed that I'm of Hap. D1. I guess my ancestor was a straggler too haha , or some of them migrated down south gradually from the northwest?

                    btw, FTDNA does deep clade test for Hap. D too, you just have to email them for a quote.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Heyokah View Post
                      Hi Baz,

                      My family is of Cantonese origin too (as far as I can tell). I'm from Hong Kong.
                      My Y-chromosome deep clade test showed that I'm of Hap. D1. I guess my ancestor was a straggler too haha , or some of them migrated down south gradually from the northwest?

                      btw, FTDNA does deep clade test for Hap. D too, you just have to email them for a quote.
                      Yeah I've done a deep clade D test. Got my results back a few weeks ago as D1. my ysearch.org ID CKRU4

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                      • #12
                        ... or who knows, maybe the D guys were the first ones there but were later outcompeted/overwhelmed/taken over by the O guys.

                        cacio

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Baz View Post
                          Yeah I've done a deep clade D test. Got my results back a few weeks ago as D1. my ysearch.org ID CKRU4
                          my ysearch.org ID RD83F

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                          • #14
                            btw, there's a Haplogroup D (Y-DNA) page on facebook

                            this video youtube seems to support what Cacio was saying:
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNF0oCt5NT8

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