Just got results

[Britco]

So I just got my y-dna -67 results back on my father.

When I click on Haplotree, it says, "My unpredicted Haplogroup: - " "Shorthand: -- "

i read in the FAQs section that sometimes the haplogroup can not be identified and they would complete another test to determine it at their cost. Does anyone know if I will get a letter or anything about this? Is it possible that they are still trying to determine my haplogroup since I just got my full results back today? If it is unable to be determined, the FAQs say that it takes about 3 weeks. Is that 3 weeks from the time my ydna test was completed? Why does this happen?

Anyone want to take a stab?? I have really no idea what any of this means.

Here's the info in under the Matches tab. I could post the entire thing, but it's quite long, so i will just do the Exact Matches.

Haplogroup Origin Comments Count
R1b1 Ukraine Ashkenazi 1
R1b1 Unknown Origin - 1
R1b1b2 Belarus Ashkenazi 1
R1b1b2 France - 1
R1b1b2 Hungary - 1
R1b1b2 Poland - 1
R1b1b2 Russian Federation Ashkenazi 1
R1b1b2a1a Belarus Ashkenazi 1
R1b1b2a1a England - 1
R1b1b2a1a Lithuania Ashkenazi 1
R1b1b2a1a Russian Federation Ashkenazi 1
R1b1b2a1a Russian Federation Ashkenazi (Augustow) 1
R1b1b2a1a Ukraine Ashkenazi 1
R1b1b2a1a4 Belarus Ashkenazi 2
R1b1b2a1a4 Germany - 1
R1b1b2a1a4 Latvia Ashkenazi 1
R1b1b2a1a4 Lithuania Ashkenazi 2
R1b1b2a1b England - 2
R1b1b2a1b5 Unknown Origin - 1

[mkdexter]

You must be referring to FAQ ID 434. That refers to a "predicted" haplogroup.

Personally I can't see why they can't predict yours given those matches. I'd wait a few days but the thing is you should have already had it predicted once your first set of marker results came back. It doesn't take 67 markers to predict a haplogroup as far as I know. I expect you have a ton of matches in the 12 marker range too.

The haplogroup page should give you a "predicted", not an "unpredicted" haplogroup. Maybe there's something wrong with the web page or something.

Deep clade "tested" haplogroups and "predicted" ones are not the same tests. Not sure you realize that but that may be the confusion too. Predicted is based upon your yDNA results. Deep clade takes your predicted result and goes a step further by testing specific genes which identify actual haplogroups. They need a predicted group first in order to know which to use for deep clade results.

Are you sure your haplogroup is not predicted as R1b1b2?

[Britco]

You must be referring to FAQ ID 434. That refers to a "predicted" haplogroup.

Personally I can't see why they can't predict yours given those matches. I'd wait a few days but the thing is you should have already had it predicted once your first set of marker results came back. It doesn't take 67 markers to predict a haplogroup as far as I know. I expect you have a ton of matches in the 12 marker range too.

The haplogroup page should give you a "predicted", not an "unpredicted" haplogroup. Maybe there's something wrong with the web page or something.

I wondered the same thing. Mine definitely says "unpredicted". I thought maybe the FAQ was a typo. lol Maybe I should contact ftdna customer service?

Deep clade "tested" haplogroups and "predicted" ones are not the same tests. Not sure you realize that but that may be the confusion too. Predicted is based upon your yDNA results. Deep clade takes your predicted result and goes a step further by testing specific genes which identify actual haplogroups. They need a predicted group first in order to know which to use for deep clade results.

Are you sure your haplogroup is not predicted as R1b1b2?

It doesn't indicate a haplogroup unless it would be elsewhere. The only place I know to look is on the Haplotree page, which is where it says "My unpredicted haplogroup". Will I get the certificate and more details via snail mail? I thought I would have more info than I got. Or that it would be more clear to me.
I'm just not sure what to do with the info or where to look for it. On the frequency map page it shows in what region my haplogroup appears, but I'm not exactly sure what all the pieces of the pie mean on the pie charts. I'm assuming it corresponds with the letters on the haplotree page. Clicking on the Migration Map does nothing.

So what gave you the idea that it is R1b1b2? I see that it is one of my matches, but why that over R1b1 or R1b1b2a1a or R1b1b2a1a4 or R1b1b2a1b? This is all so foreign to me. I really feel dumb. lol

Thanks!!
Christy

[Jim Barrett]

i read in the FAQs section that sometimes the haplogroup can not be identified and they would complete another test to determine it at their cost.

Send them a message asking if your kit qualifies for the SNP assurance test. First look for a "Pending Results" tab in the left hand column. They may have already started the test.

[Britco]

Ok, They posted my predicted haplogroup this AM. I emailed them last night, so i don't know if it was messed up and they fixed it or if it just took them some time to get that info up there. I didn't have access to the haplotree, migration map, or anything before, so now it makes more sense.

My predicted haplogroup is R1b1b2 / shorthand R-M269. All the migration map info and haplotree is now showing as well. And it finally makes more sense now that I can view the rest of the info. lol

I just got an email from someone who is a 12 marker exact match, 37 marker match with genetic distance of 3, 67 marker match with a genetic distance of 5. I'm going to email him back shortly.

From what I understand, the best match would be if one of those 12 marker people also match 37 or 67 markers. But I don't remember what the genetic distance info means.
I have fifteen 25 marker matches with a genetic distance of 1.
I have one 67 marker match with a genetic distance of 1. Isn't that supposed to be pretty good? It says there's a 77% chance that we have relatives in the last 4 generations.

Thank you for your help!
Christy

[vinnie]

It could also be a computer glitch - I had one of those and the office fixed it the same day. But another one (37 marker) is undergoing a deep clade back bone.

[mkdexter]

Ok, They posted my predicted haplogroup this AM. I emailed them last night, so i don't know if it was messed up and they fixed it or if it just took them some time to get that info up there. I didn't have access to the haplotree, migration map, or anything before, so now it makes more sense.

My predicted haplogroup is R1b1b2 / shorthand R-M269. All the migration map info and haplotree is now showing as well. And it finally makes more sense now that I can view the rest of the info. lol

I just got an email from someone who is a 12 marker exact match, 37 marker match with genetic distance of 3, 67 marker match with a genetic distance of 5. I'm going to email him back shortly.

From what I understand, the best match would be if one of those 12 marker people also match 37 or 67 markers. But I don't remember what the genetic distance info means.
I have fifteen 25 marker matches with a genetic distance of 1.
I have one 67 marker match with a genetic distance of 1. Isn't that supposed to be pretty good? It says there's a 77% chance that we have relatives in the last 4 generations.

Thank you for your help!
Christy

67 with a distance of 1 is SUPER good. Can't really expect anything better than that as even a son might post a genetic distance of one to his father every so often.. and it depends on which marker to as some change faster than others... genetic not generational difference.. means of 67 matches one of them is a reading that is one number off yours so its a "genetic" distance of 1.

[Britco]

yes, i was SO excited to find such a great match. I'm still confused with how we tell when our lines match up. He sent me a link to his family tree, but I'm not seeing much that is familiar.
I am in touch with another person who is a 67 marker match with a genetic distance of 4. This person has family members with the same first names as some of my ancestors, but i haven't seen a family tree with dates to determine if they are the same people or not.
I did not realize that the genetic distance doesn't have anything to do with the generational distance. You cleared that up for me perfectly - thanks!

So here's where i'm lost. My father remembers overhearing his grandpa speaking Yiddish and he heard "rumors" that they were Jewish, but the family was really hush-hush about it. I imagine it was due to religous pursecution. He married a protestant woman to "hide" his heritage. I believe his father pushed the family to be private about their heritage b/c it appears that my great-great grandfather changed his last name before he had my great-grandfather. My maiden name is Britton, a very anglo-saxon name. Census records state that my great-great grandfather came to the US in 1881, but there are no records of him until 1910. My guess is that he changed his name sometime between 1881 and 1910.

IF this is true, is it possible that our last name was the last name of my 67mm/gd 1 "cousin"? Or is it even possible that it's the last name of one of my 67mm/gd3 or 67mm/gd4?

What should my next step be?

Thanks!

[gtc]

IF this is true, is it possible that our last name was the last name of my 67mm/gd 1 "cousin"? Or is it even possible that it's the last name of one of my 67mm/gd3 or 67mm/gd4?

Those are extraordinarily close matches matches over 67 markers if these are from men that you were unaware of until DNA testing.

I think there are several possibilities. There may be more than one instance of surname change involved.

Have you entered your father's 67 markers into Ysearch (http://www.ysearch.org/) ? If he's from a
"prolific" line then there may be other close matches (and thus contacts) who can help you zero in on a particular surname.

[mkdexter]

It sounds like your 67-gd1 match and your 67-gd4 match and yourself all have different surnames now but obviously yes they were related back in time. But even more than a hundred years is not out of the question.

With your 67 marker matches you should be able to go to your results page and try looking at the probability of relationship say at the 80-90% mark and then use each generation listed times 25 years. That should give you about the worse case for a number of years distant.

Then if you both live in different places get yours and his family trees and start laying out the geographical points of where the families resided until you find both families were in the same place during the same time and start there. Unless someone liked traveling a lot you should have a starting point back in time where both your family and his resided together and most likely where one is genetically related to the other.

It is still possible that might be oversees but the probabilities are high in your case thus the years distant are less.

The suggestion to load the results in to ysearch.org is a good idea too.

Matt.

[T E Peterman]

Britco,

You should probably upgrade & take the deep clade SNP test. Family Tree DNA can't predict any further down than M269 (R1b1b2), but by using SNPs they can determine this precisely to a far deeper level. R1b1b2 is one of those haplogroups that has many subclades nested beneath it. Once you have done this, you might want to add your results to one of the deep clade projects, once you know which you actually are part of.

Timothy Peterman