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  • Hg I1-253-AS6 Research & TIPS

    I would welcome any thoughts on using FTDNA TIPS data in analyzing family links. There are currently 14 of us (Hg I1-M253-AS6) in the FTDNA Harvey Family Group (#5) descending from 3 different Ulster Scots-Irish Harvey brothers (John, William & Michael) in colonial Lunenburg Co VA c1750.

    All 14 share the same DYS385ab as 13-15 and our DYS447 is rare at 21. The DYS464abcd is 14 14 15 15. We all have the same DYS456 DYS607 DYS576 values of 14 15 17 while our DYS391 is 11.

    Four of us now have the 67 panel results and we are all identical from panel 38-67. I have used Jim Cullen's predictor program for the four of us. Mine (#19860/S3BHN) came in as AS6=>93%, AS1=>3% & AS5=>2%.

    The first of my 65/67 Harvey (#108391/DPQEU)(John/Thomas) matches was AS6=>93%, AS1=>3% & AS5=>3%. Our differing DYS values were: DYS458 15 (him) vs 16 (me) and our CDYa/b values were 35-36 (him) and 36-36 (me). FTDNA predicts we have a 83.35% probability of a common ancestor w/i 8 generations.

    The second of my 65/67 Harvey (#139171)(John/William) using Cullen was: AS6=>92%, AS1=>5% & AS5=>1%. Our differing DYS values were: DYS391 10 (him) vs 11 (me) and our CDYa/b values were 36-37 (him) and 36-36 (me). FTDNA predicts we have a 83.61% probability of a common ancestor w/i 8 generations.

    From one of the brothers (John), I also have two 36/37 matches who are from two more sons of John (Evan & Michael):

    The first (#67071) (John/Evan) has the sole difference at CDYa/b of 36 37 (him) vs 36 36 (me). FTDNA predicts we have a 87.4% probability of a common ancestor w/i 8 generations.

    The second (#137124/D6ZMZ) (John/Michael) has the sole difference of DYS449 of 29 (him) vs 28 (me). FTDNA predicts we have a 88.06% probability of a common ancestor w/i 8 generations.

    Descending from second of the brothers (William), I also have a 36/37 match (#105701) who has the sole difference at CDYa/b of 36 37 (him) vs 36 36 (me). FTDNA predicts we have a 87.4% probability of a common ancestor w/i 8 generations. Surprisingly, (#67071) (John/Evan) is a 37/37 match for (#105701) (William).

    Descending from the 3rd brother (Michael), I also have a 35/37 match (#105701) who has the difference at CDYa/b of 36 37 (him) vs 36 36 (me) and a DYS437 of 17 (him) vs 16 (me). FTDNA predicts we have a 87.4% probability of a common ancestor w/i 8 generations.

    I am at a total deadend in paper geneaology for determining from which of the 3 brothers I am descended.

    From the four sons of John, I have John/Michael at 88.06%, John/Evan at 87.04%, John/William at 83.61% and John/Thomas at 83.35%. However, I also have 87.4% from brothers Michael & William.

    I wonder if the FTDNA TIPS data is the too close for subjective evaluation. I am not sure whether the geneaology difference if a CDYa/b of 36 37 vs 36 36 at 87.4% is more important than a DYS449 of 29 vs 28 at 88.06% (same father John thru two different sons).

    Does anyone have any thoughts on trying to use the FTDNA TIPS in extremely close cases with regards to CDYa/b differences as opposed to the DYS449?

    Larry Harvey
    Harvey Family Group
    FTDNA 19860 ySearch S3BHN
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