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  • E3b1 in Central England?

    Hello all

    I'm new to all this so please bear with me! Recently had a Y chromosome test which put me in haplogroup E, specifically E1b1b1a.

    I'm from Sedgley originally, in the English West midlands, with the surname "Fellows". This has it's highest concentration in England from this area, and the name was certainly in Sedgley in the 1550's when the parish records started.

    Googling E3b has left me somewhat baffled. I understand it's fairly rare in the UK. Both Oppenheimer and Sykes say that they didn't find any at all in central England which is where I'm from!, although I don't know where they took the samples from?

    So I was wondering what is the best guess of how E3b got into the UK? early on, Romans or Normans etc?



  • #2
    The wiki has this to say about E1b1b1a:

    E1b1b1a (E-M78), formerly E3b1a, is a commonly occurring subclade, widely distributed in North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, i.e. The Middle East and Near East "up to Southern Asia", and all of Europe. The European distribution has a frequency peak centered in parts of the Balkans (up to almost 50%) and Italy and declining frequencies evident toward western, central, and northeastern Europe.

    The mention of Italy may have a bearing on your question.

    The rest of the info is here:


    • #3
      There were a few threads in the past about the presence of E1b1b in the UK (which is rare but not unknown) - I forget who started them.

      As gtc was saying, the Balkans (Greece etc) and southern Italy have a high percentage of this haplogroup, which has been in the area for thousands of years. Therefore, it could have moved up from there to the UK anytime.

      I think the favorite theory proposed in those posts was Roman soldiers (many of whom were from the Balkans). But of course, I think it's impossible to know.



      • #4
        Hi Dave,

        Please join the E-M35 project (E1b1b1/formerly E3b project),

        I'd have to see your marker values to be certain, but you are most likely in subclade E1b1b1a2. One of our members wrote an article about how this subclade may have ended up in Britain:

        You'll find plenty of discussion on this topic at our project's dedicated discussion forum,



        • #5
          I remember the old E3b threads. Jim Denning is a E3b. He is from Massachussetts and his roots are from Ireland. His theory was that it came from a (lost?) tribe of Dan from Israel. And that the phonetics of his surname was from Dan.
          I also read that a rare YDNA from Africa was found in men in Yorkshire, England and that they had the same surname but their surname wasn't being released to the public, and all that was let out was that the surname started with the letter "F". So mysterious. I wondered what the name was. I guess it's your surname "Fellows".
          Last edited by rainbow; 22 October 2009, 05:29 PM.


          • #6
            ^ Rainbow, I haven't heard of the "F" surname and E3b in Yorkshire, but I did read of "R" surname and A1:



            • #7
              Originally posted by gtc View Post
              ^ Rainbow, I haven't heard of the "F" surname and E3b in Yorkshire, but I did read of "R" surname and A1:

              Thanks gtc.
              Yes that's the story about the Yorkshire African YDNA. I was thinking the surname was F, maybe R. I got it mixed up. I don't remember A1. I recalled only African YDNA and Dennings E3b.
              thanks for posting the article