9 markers, I want to know the sub haplogroup

[Salem]

Hi all

I have a research about my country, Libya where the researchers studied a sample of 63 people and prepared a table of results containing 9 markers
( DYS 19 DYS 389 I DYS 389 II DYS 390 DYS 391 DYS 392 DYS 393 DYS 385-a DYS385-b ).

Using the Haplogroup Predictor software from

http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/

I got less detailed results than I need since most samples are E1b1b and J1 and I would like to know from which subhaplogroups (e.g E1b1b1b , E1b1b1a , J1e .. etc) those results come from.

Is there any tool that can help me?

I would appreciate any help

[Jim Honeychuck]

Hi all

I have a research about my country, Libya where the researchers studied a sample of 63 people and prepared a table of results containing 9 markers
( DYS 19 DYS 389 I DYS 389 II DYS 390 DYS 391 DYS 392 DYS 393 DYS 385-a DYS385-b ).

Using the Haplogroup Predictor software from

http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/

I got less detailed results than I need since most samples are E1b1b and J1 and I would like to know from which subhaplogroups (e.g E1b1b1b , E1b1b1a , J1e .. etc) those results come from.

Is there any tool that can help me?

I would appreciate any help

Subclades of J1 are not determined from those markers, they are determined from SNPs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogr...DNA)#Subclades

Regards,
Jim

[efgen]

Salem,

I can try to help you with the E1b1b haplotypes, although with only 9 markers, some may be impossible to predict. Can you post the E1b1b haplotypes here? The forum won't accept Excel files as attachments, but it will accept plain text files.

Elise

[Salem]

Thank you Jim and Elise
Figuring out E1b1b subclades will help alot since the majority in the sample taken has E1b1b haplogroup.

The people with E1b1b haplogroup have the following markers

This data is quoted from
Y-chromosomal STR haplotypes in an Arab
population from Libya
U.-D. Immel a,*, M. Erhuma b, T. Mustafa c, M. Kleiber a,
M. Klintschar a


The following data is formatted as follows
First line ( Person name )
Second line (markers) with order : DYS19 DYS389 I DYS389 II DYS390 DYS391 DYS392 DYS393 DYS385-a DYS385-b

Libya_5
13 12 29 25 11 11 13 16 18

Libya_6
13 13 31 20 11 11 13 11 14

Libya_7
13 14 30 24 11 11 13 13 14

Libya_10
14 12 29 23 10 11 13 16 17

Libya_14
13 14 30 24 11 11 14 13 15

Libya_15
13 13 29 22 10 11 13 13 16

Libya_16
13 14 30 24 11 11 14 13 15

Libya_19
14 13 31 24 11 11 14 14 14

Libya_20
13 13 31 24 11 12 13 15 16

Libya_24
13 13 29 23 11 11 13 13 14

Libya_26
11 12 30 24 10 12 13 16 18

Libya_29
13 14 30 18 9 10 13 12 13

Libya_31
13 15 31 23 9 10 13 12 14

Libya_32
13 12 29 22 10 10 13 16 17

Libya_35
13 14 29 24 9 11 13 13 15

Libya_36
13 14 30 24 9 11 13 13 15

Libya_37
13 14 30 24 9 11 13 13 15

Libya_39
13 13 29 24 9 11 13 13 14

Libya_40
13 14 30 23 9 11 13 13 17

Libya_42
13 12 29 24 11 11 13 17 17

Libya_43
13 13 29 24 11 11 13 13 15

Libya_44
13 14 30 25 11 11 13 13 14

Libya_47
13 14 30 24 9 11 13 13 14

Libya_48
13 14 30 25 9 11 13 14 15

Libya_49
13 14 30 24 9 11 14 13 15

Libya_50
13 14 30 24 9 11 14 13 15

Libya_51
13 14 30 24 9 11 14 13 15

Libya_53
13 14 30 24 9 11 13 13 14

Libya_54
13 14 29 24 9 10 13 13 15

Libya_55
13 13 29 24 9 11 13 13 15

Libya_58
13 14 30 24 9 11 13 13 15

Libya_59
15 13 31 24 10 12 12 16 17

Libya_60
13 14 30 24 9 11 13 13 14

Libya_61
13 12 29 22 10 11 13 16 17

Libya_63
13 13 29 24 9 11 13 13 15

Whoever is interested in Y DNA haplogroups in Libya
I tried to determine the haplogroups for 63 people whom are studied in the mentioned article and I got the following statistics

Haplogroup Number (out of 63) Percentage
E1b1b 35 52%
J1 8 13%
J2a1 5 8%
J2b 2 3%
G2a 5 8%
I2a 1 1.5%
R1a 1 1.5%
R1b 2 3%
T 3 5%
L 1 1.5%

[cacio]

I'd be curious to see the lone L prediction. As others have said, 9 is really not enough to predict much...

The overall prediction of results, though, seems reasonable for a north african country (some Arabized populations in N Africa show more J1).

cacio

[Salem]

Hi Cacio
Probably you are right
Actually what I got from Haplogroup Predictor software was the following prediction

L 32.9%
and
J2a1 x J2a1-bh 23.5%

for the person
Libya_34
14 14 31 22 11 10 12 12 18

I just put the highest prediction in my list but I think 32.9 is not enough at all to judge.

By the way, 32.9 was the lowest prediction I have got in the 63 people sample.

[cacio]

Thanks. You're right that it is simply impossible to determine with so few markers. L is somewhat difficult to detect anyway because there are few observations to start with. ysearch's closest observations are all J, but they are quite different (min distance 3), which is strange.

Anyway, an L wouldn't be out of place, they pop up here and there in the Mediterranean.

Does the article give any comment about the results? I haven't been following much of the debate, but it seems the percentages of E1b1b in North Africa fluctuate a bit depending on the studies and the population, and there is still some debate as to the origin of the J1 (Arabs or pre-Arabs, or both).

cacio